Emmission Testing

[sfair]

Hello: Does California have emmission testing for motorcycles? If yes, is it tail pipe, visual or both? How far back in years does it go? Any other states? Thank you.

[JBrian]

Not yet

[sfair]

Is testing being talked about? Will it arrive in the near future, or do you think that it will be farther down the road? Does California utilize the roadside sniffers? Just curious.

[kc6wfs]

I think in 2012 smog testing for motorcycles goes into effect here in California. I don't think it's a 100% done deal but with the way California is run I'm sure it will happen.
Read this...

California considers requiring motorcycle smog checks - Los Angeles Times

[sfair]

Thank you kc6wfs. That article answered my questions. I can see all kinds of potential grief here, especially with the back-dating. Ouch!

[hbgregg]

that is just a bill. really doubt it will pass. the industry and its lobbyist will see that the bill is squashed if it hits the floor. the state needs the sales tax revenue on new bike sales, not to mention the aftermarket sales. tax dollars to sacramento is like crack to rick james.

[RichLockyer]

Originally Posted by hbgregg

that is just a bill. really doubt it will pass. the industry and its lobbyist will see that the bill is squashed if it hits the floor. the state needs the sales tax revenue on new bike sales, not to mention the aftermarket sales. tax dollars to sacramento is like crack to rick james.

Are you kidding?
Remember who is in control of nearly 2/3rds of Sacramento... so far they have not resisted ONE "green" idea, including restrictive standards for the automakers that Bush's EPA shut down, but Obama's EPA has agreed to reconsider.

Then we have Governor Benedict Arnold Schwarzawhatever.... he'll sign anything that'll make people like him, and he seems to think that everyone in California is a greenie.

[Tall Trees]

S B 435 . This HAS to be a good thing for all of us Californicators ,after all it`s got the support of the Sierra Club. The story above from the L A Times even says that good old Gov. Arney is a avid motorcyclist . If you remember a few years ago , he was involved in a M/C accident and it was found out that he didn`t even have a m/c endorsement. He skated on that one because the bike was a sidehack.

[hbgregg]

Originally Posted by RichLockyer

Are you kidding?
Remember who is in control of nearly 2/3rds of Sacramento... so far they have not resisted ONE "green" idea, including restrictive standards for the automakers that Bush's EPA shut down, but Obama's EPA has agreed to reconsider.

Then we have Governor Benedict Arnold Schwarzawhatever.... he'll sign anything that'll make people like him, and he seems to think that everyone in California is a greenie.

just looking on the bright side, but you're right. seems all a cali lawmaker has to do is say their proposal will protect the environment (India and China are going to ruin it regardless what we do) or keep children from suffering in some way.

still hopeful an entity with an adequate amount of influence in the appropriate places will be able to counter the green dumbs.

would really like to see John and Ken take this on, but even they were unable rouse up enough of a rally to stop the "pavely act" i believe you're referring to. it barley passed, though, and they do hate fran pavley.

at least they have been able to help convince we the peeps that arnold's prop 1A is a bunch of bs and it's now lagging in the polls. a crowd of 15,000 or so listeners showed up to protest - John & Ken Tax Revolt. now, arnold kennedy-shriver is threatening us by saying he will layoff firefighters if his obfuscatory props don't pass. burn, burn, yes ya gonna burn



c'mon fellow california bikers, we've got to start rattling some cages along with those windows!

[RichLockyer]

Originally Posted by hbgregg

c'mon fellow california bikers, we've got to start rattling some cages along with those windows!

I've been wanting to organize a rally to Sacramento since 2002... but we wouldn't get any media coverage because the chant as we march around the capitol will be:

Bull-****! Bull-****! Bull-****! Bull-****! Bull-****! Bull-****!

[hbgregg]

most people don't seem to care. have been doing a street poll; "i'll just swap my pipes every 2 years."

it's about more than that, though. where do they expect the inspections to take place? might be a good opportunity for a chain of bikes only smog check stations. not going to let the regular oil changer touch my bike.

and the claim that "Motorcycles account for 3.6% of registered vehicles in the state, and they make up just eight-tenths of a percent (0.8%) of vehicle-miles traveled, yet they account for 10% of passenger vehicles’ smog-forming emissions..." is just unbelievable.

especially since the Motorcycle Industry Council's 2008 Owner Survey shows 38% of on-road motorcycle owners replace or modify their exhaust systems and an ARB study reports 85% of bikes 280 cc and larger had modified exhausts.

lying pricks.

[RichLockyer]

Originally Posted by hbgregg

and the claim that "Motorcycles account for 3.6% of registered vehicles in the state, and they make up just eight-tenths of a percent (0.8%) of vehicle-miles traveled, yet they account for 10% of passenger vehicles’ smog-forming emissions..." is just unbelievable.

especially since the Motorcycle Industry Council's 2008 Owner Survey shows 38% of on-road motorcycle owners replace or modify their exhaust systems and an ARB study reports 85% of bikes 280 cc and larger had modified exhausts.

lying pricks.

Ya... that's just a completely made up number. They don't know... they CAN'T know unless they have actually tested a realistic cross section of bikes (both Harley and Metric of the years that would be included in the regulations). They don't know how many miles are ridden every year (SOME insurance companies require their owners to report their odometer reading every year when they renew, some don't), and they have NO CLUE what level of emissions are coming from those bikes.

Just like 10 years ago when they started pushing for regulations on "small displacement engines"... their intent was lawn mowers, chain saws, GoPeds, etc... but the way the bill was originally written, it also encompassed model airplane engines which burn alcohol and are between 0.05 and 2 cubic inches!

[Hot Cruiser]

I'm an ex-Californian now in Oregon, a bit north of the border. It's getting so that crossing the border and going into Calif. on a bike we out-of-staters don't know whether we're violating some of the kazillion laws peculiar to California. For example, because of Calif. brake light law I bought a Tailblazer stop lamp setup (flashes only four times when applying the brake).

If anyone wants to buy a lighter, easier to handle two-stroke string trimmer,for example, and with no sales tax, just come north across the border!

[RichLockyer]

As an out of stater, as long as your vehicle meets federal standards, you should be okay when traveling out of state.

Every now and then you'll run into a "Barney Fife" who will write you up for everything he can, but for the most part, if you aren't flying colors, you're left alone as long as you aren't doing anything to draw attention to yourself.

[Hot Cruiser]

I've lived and ridden in the San Francisco Bay Area and the San Diego region, where the population and vehicle densities were pretty high. Up here the densities are low and just being a biker can be enough to attract attention. The CHPs sometimes will follow us for fifteen or twenty miles, so we have to watch ourselves. While they usually aren't hard-nosed legalists, occasionally they have no-tolerance directives come down the pipeline.

[hbgregg]

WAKE UP, PEOPLE!

California Motorcycle Smog Test Bill Passes Out Of Committee

it's NOT too late. you can make yourself heard. other than with your pipes, that is --> AMA Action Alert

The only two counties to ever smog test motorcycles nationwide, Pima and Maricopa in Arizona, have already shown that motorcycle testing leads to no significant reduction in measured emissions levels. Pima County has already dropped their testing program and Maricopa is awaiting EPA’s approval to do the same.

obviously, some emit more than others.