maps

[mad5674]

Can anyone tell me why, with the PowerCommander maps, there are negative values when a total stock map is all zeros?

Seems counter productive, but I don't really understand how it works

This is probably a question for Rich...I know I should probably just spend the money and have it Dyno'ed and professionally mapped. The only map that came with it that works half way decent on my '08 1600 is the advanced map that is differet for each cylinder.

This has probably been gone over numerous times...I guess I just don't get it!
DUH..

[MLR1]

The zero map is available to have the bike run in stock form. If you load that map it's like the Commander isn't there. As for the + and - values, at times in the RPM range and throttle positions you can have a lean or rich condition. The Power Commander has the capability to remove fuel to lean the mix or add to richen at every 250 RPM and throttle position.

HTH
Max

[mad5674]

Originally Posted by MLR1

The zero map is available to have the bike run in stock form. If you load that map it's like the Commander isn't there. As for the + and - values, at times in the RPM range and throttle positions you can have a lean or rich condition. The Power Commander has the capability to remove fuel to lean the mix or add to richen at every 250 RPM and throttle position.

HTH
Max

Thanks MLR1...I kind of understand, but I guess my question is, if you are getting on it and are in an upper rpm range and throttle position, would'nt you want more gas? I can't see that being a lean condition, but there are plenty of negative values up there...-14's and such??

[mad5674]

Originally Posted by MLR1

The zero map is available to have the bike run in stock form. If you load that map it's like the Commander isn't there. As for the + and - values, at times in the RPM range and throttle positions you can have a lean or rich condition. The Power Commander has the capability to remove fuel to lean the mix or add to richen at every 250 RPM and throttle position.

HTH
Max

Thanks MLR1...I kind of understand, but I guess my question is, if you are getting on it and are in an upper rpm range and throttle position, would'nt you want more gas? I can't see that being a lean condition, but there are plenty of negative values up there...-14's and such??

[mad5674]

oops, sorry about the double post

[MLR1]

With all of the different configurations of add ons out there, the only way to really get it dialed in is on the dyno. They stick some probes up the exhaust and run the bike through the entire range. The probes will record the mix at any given point and let the operator know when to add and take fuel away. The maps (I have the PC V on my bike with the capability to switch between 2 maps) that I am running right now have a - value in the upper throttle range until 3500 RPM, then they run in the +.

[mad5674]

The dealer I bought my bike from doesn't have one but I think I know one that does. I know those machines aren't cheap, they probably want a pretty penny to hook it up and tune your PCIII. I wonder what the average price would be?

Guess I need to just call 'em and find out...thanks for the info!

[MLR1]

The guy in my area charges between $200 and $250 depending on how long it takes. Just to give you a point of reference.

[mittens01]

With all of the different configurations of add ons out there, the only way to really get it dialed in is on the dyno. They stick some probes up the exhaust and run the bike through the entire range. The probes will record the mix at any given point and let the operator know when to add and take fuel away. The maps (I have the PC V on my bike with the capability to switch between 2 maps) that I am running right now have a - value in the upper throttle range until 3500 RPM, then they run in the +.

Did you get it custom mapped? I also have the PCV, and the closest provided map for my set-up was the 003 map. The only place in town that I can find to get a custom map for it is a place called Bikes 2 NV, and they want $300 to do it. The guy that runs the place it is kinda an a$$, and I really don't feel like giving him any of my money.

[MLR1]

I haven't yet. I am still waiting for my intake to get here and I will schedule some time. I am hoping to get it done in a couple of weeks. I have been switching between the custom map that came with it (I only had debaffeled pipes and modified air box at the time) and the 009 map after installing Cobra Power Pro HP 2 into 1 pipe. It does run a bit stronger with the 009 map. I cant wait for the intake and tune done.

[Scorpius01]

The negative values are there because the bike does run rich in a certain part of the power band with after market intakes & exhuasts. So fuel needs to be pulled away.

With a stock map the bike will run rich and then lean out the higher the rpm's, with those mods.

There are people that run a 'zero' map on power commanders with intake & exhaust. Waste of money if that is your plan.

[mad5674]

Originally Posted by Scorpius01

The negative values are there because the bike does run rich in a certain part of the power band with after market intakes & exhuasts. So fuel needs to be pulled away.

With a stock map the bike will run rich and then lean out the higher the rpm's, with those mods.

There are people that run a 'zero' map on power commanders with intake & exhaust. Waste of money if that is your plan.

Nope, I'm using the 006 "advanced" map but it feels like at wot in the upper rpm range that I need some + nos. because you can feel the pull or torque drop off. Thats probably just the nature of the V-twin. I've got 2.5 in. RoadBurners but only a K&N filter, so I'm probably just wishing for the power and 'feel' that I'm hoping for, but wont get until I upgrade the intake. I'm leaning toward the BAK. It seems to me to be a little simpler and less to buy than the 'Thunder'. Is this true and any opinions on the BAK?

[mittens01]

Since we've come across a holiday weekend, with nice weather, I gonna do some playin' with my 900. I have the V&H staggered pipes, and I've been wanting to pull the baffles to see what it sounds like, and how it performs. I think I'm gonna pull the baffles, and run through all of the maps that came with my PCV to see what feels the best.

I adopted the 003 map simply because the description "most" closely matched what I have. I'm kinda disappointed that dynojet doesn't have a fuller array of maps for this product, and I really don't want to spend hundreds of dollars for someone to "tune" it the way that it should be. I'm also wondering if anyone has installed the Autotune with their PC, and how they like it. I'll post my findings after the weekend!

[bikesrfun]

Originally Posted by mad5674

Nope, I'm using the 006 "advanced" map but it feels like at wot in the upper rpm range that I need some + nos. because you can feel the pull or torque drop off. Thats probably just the nature of the V-twin. I've got 2.5 in. RoadBurners but only a K&N filter, so I'm probably just wishing for the power and 'feel' that I'm hoping for, but wont get until I upgrade the intake. I'm leaning toward the BAK. It seems to me to be a little simpler and less to buy than the 'Thunder'. Is this true and any opinions on the BAK?

The Baron's kit is sold for each specific bike model and contains the bike specific backing plate to mount the filter. The Thunder kit is sold by the type of filter you want and buying the adapter for your specific bike. They cost about the same and provide the same performance gains. Buy the one that "grabs" you. I have the BAK.

[mad5674]

Thanks Bikesrfun, does the Baron come with a matching, tear shaped, chrome cover for the left side after you've taken out the crossover tube and everything, or is it left bare, jugs exposed. Also, do you have to marble, or is that what the tube end caps are for? what happens with the solenoid wires?

Thnx in advance for the info...

Also, I agree with mittens, it would be nice if Dynojet offered a bigger and better selection of maps. My pcIII came with 6 but only 1 is for my year bike, regardless of pipe and intake combinations. All well...BAK intake, and some tinkering with the laptop, and see what I can come up with...

[bikesrfun]

Originally Posted by mad5674

Thanks Bikesrfun, does the Baron come with a matching, tear shaped, chrome cover for the left side after you've taken out the crossover tube and everything, or is it left bare, jugs exposed. Also, do you have to marble, or is that what the tube end caps are for? what happens with the solenoid wires?

Thnx in advance for the info...

Also, I agree with mittens, it would be nice if Dynojet offered a bigger and better selection of maps. My pcIII came with 6 but only 1 is for my year bike, regardless of pipe and intake combinations. All well...BAK intake, and some tinkering with the laptop, and see what I can come up with...

None of the intakes come with matching covers for the other side. You can buy another cover by itself and make up a bracket to mount it up if you like. I mounted my horn on the left side. See the photo.....

You should marble or get the reed valve block off kits if you have an aftermarket exhaust, as that will eliminate the popping on deceleration. As for the solenoid wires, just tape the ends so they don't short against anything and tape them back into the harness. If you like, PM me your email address and I will send you a map to try.

[cm900red]

Originally Posted by mittens01

Did you get it custom mapped? I also have the PCV, and the closest provided map for my set-up was the 003 map. The only place in town that I can find to get a custom map for it is a place called Bikes 2 NV, and they want $300 to do it. The guy that runs the place it is kinda an a$$, and I really don't feel like giving him any of my money.

I just ordered my V&H pipes and Power Commander for my 900. Besides the sound did you notice any power gains? I'm also interested in the out come of your map testing.

[srosbury]

I need a map for my PCIII for a 03 Meanie 1500 with Pro Hypercharger Air and Cobra Drag pipes baffled. I have tried 003 and 009 with too much pop on deceleration and too rich smelling exhaust. Anyone have a big air kit on a cobra drag pipe wanna send me a map?

my email is s_rosbury at hotmail...

THX!

[BillyBobby]

Originally Posted by srosbury

I need a map for my PCIII for a 03 Meanie 1500 with Pro Hypercharger Air and Cobra Drag pipes baffled. THX!

Try this: http://www.thundermfg.com/store/down...5/T205-201.djm.
Marbleing, or reed block-offs and good exhaust gaskets usually fixes the deceleration pop. You shouldn't re-use the exhaust gaskets.

[srosbury]

I have that map , got it yesterday, but have not tried it yet... I also got some 211 and 215 ones from thunders site, I think it was for the 2K and the 1600. Will try the one you suggest and replace exhaust gaskets too

L8R,