Mean Streak Dyno Tuning Question

uf-engineer · 12-06-2005

I’ll be finishing up the intake, exhaust and power commander install on my 2005 Mean Streak this weekend. I live in Jacksonville, Florida and found someone who will tune the bike. They list two alternatives: (1) a regular dyno tuning with custom map for $250 or (2) an advanced tuning with custom map for $300. They said with the advanced tuning they would tune each cylinder where the regular tuning just tunes the engine overall. Which one should I choose?

Also, it’s colder than normal here in Florida. Ok it’s not snowing, but it’s not your typical 90 degree weather either. Should I wait until the summer to tune the engine? Will there be much difference in the warmer months if I have the engine tuned now? Will I need two maps one for winter and one for summer or can I have the bike tuned now and make adjustments myself for the summer months if needed?

Thanks
MC

Phatboy · 12-06-2005

Definately go for the advanced map since you have 2-2 pipes. Have them map at 250 increments too.

T-man · 12-06-2005

Depends what you want...a)know you did the best you could do and squeeze out every last HP and in-lb of torque, or b) know you got 99% of what is available at the current environmental conditions and current conditions of your engine (sensors, etc.) and won't likely tell the diff, unless you are planning to go to the track.

As far as when to do it, your FI bike senses air temp BUT makes alterations as air temp changes based on what is stored in the ECU and THAT is based on the stock machine, different than what you now have. If the dyno is located outside and you have runs with 50 degree ambient temps, I would not do it now. But if the dyno is inside and air temps are 70+, I would think it good 'nuff for the typical range of biking temps. Oh, I also would watch humidity at the inlet; don't do it on a rainy day.

Again, to each his own, the diffs are small, IMHO, and doubtful you will 'feel' the diff when you run the bike.

kingofwings · 12-06-2005

I have paid for 2 custom maps/dyno runs and I don't use the maps I got from the dealer. I use a map from the internet. I have run literally dozens of VERY different maps and have found only minor differences in performance. I've been using the "Bub Jug Huggers exhaust and Thunder Manufacturing Tornado air intake" map off the Powercommander.com site all season and love it. It's and advanced map in 250 RPM increments, I think the guy knew what he was doing. Can't hurt to try it.....

Frankt07 · 12-06-2005

uf-engineer
is this shop a dynojet authorized tuner? if so, go for the advanced tuning. i learned the hard way ($700) that i should've gone to the dynojet shop the first time
my suggestion is go for the advanced

*trikebubble* · 12-07-2005

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Originally Posted by kingofwings

I have paid for 2 custom maps/dyno runs and I don't use the maps I got from the dealer. I use a map from the internet. I have run literally dozens of VERY different maps and have found only minor differences in performance. I've been using the "Bub Jug Huggers exhaust and Thunder Manufacturing Tornado air intake" map off the Powercommander.com site all season and love it. It's and advanced map in 250 RPM increments, I think the guy knew what he was doing. Can't hurt to try it.....

Frank, can you send me a link to where you found that map? Sounds like I may want to try it in the spring.
Thanks man.

tcobar · 12-07-2005

I have the map and want to upload it, but the attachement system tells me that I don't have room and will not allow me to upload?

What do I need to do? If any of you guys want the different maps, send me a PM and I can email to your personal email. I have about 6 different ones....

tcobar · 12-07-2005

Here are some of the previous posts with some of the maps ready to download... Also, some good information to read on ...

http://www.kawasakimotorcycle.org/fo...ommander+M ap
http://www.kawasakimotorcycle.org/fo...ommander+M ap
http://www.kawasakimotorcycle.org/fo...ommander+Ma p

However, there is a better Map. Has two fuel tables, one per cylinder. After trying them all, I stuck with this one. I wanted to post it here, but the attachement system won't let me ....

Phatboy · 12-07-2005

If you look at the advanced maps you'll see that the two cylinders are mapped quite differently. I picked JohnnyCheese's brain a while back and he recommended advanced maps for 2-2 pipes such as the HK's. I just have a basic map

If I ever get mine remapped I'll get the advanced map plus I'd like to add the timing module too for a few more hp

kingofwings · 12-07-2005

Here is the link to the map I'm talking about... I think it's also the one Tony is refering to:
http://www.powercommander.com/maps/0...S/m215-005.exe
It's an advanced map... one for each cylinder. Runs great on my bike. Tornado kit, PCIII and Cobra Speedsters (also 2-2).

NYcruiser · 12-07-2005

Using a shared map is better than nothing... BUT... that map was made for a different bike, elevation (?), exact mods (?), riding style (?).. I would get a custom map, but ONLY if the person doing it is reputable.. nothing better than a bike with a custom map..

tnhunter · 12-07-2005

Depends on how much 300 dollars is to you. Personally around Christmas the money would have a different function for me. I would try the download maps first. If I did take it to get it tuned though, I would go all out and get the best.

uf-engineer · 12-07-2005

Yes they are an authorized dyno'er. They are the only authorized dyno'er who have the TL tuning function. I'm not sure what TL tuning does. Power Commander said that it make tuning the bike easier. If an internet map works, I'll probably wait for the summer to do it.
Thanks
All

*trikebubble* · 12-07-2005

I am currently running a map that Frank (kingofwings) genorously shot my way last spring. The gains over stock are very noticeable. I don't really have a concerns about having my bike personally dyno'd (not that their is any authorized shop within 250 miles anyway) and will likely swap over to another map next springthat Frank mentioned above.

uf-engineer · 12-07-2005

How will I know if the map is working? Do I need to be pulling the plugs and checking them for a lean running condition? Are there any other ways to tell if the map is working properly. Lean vs rich .

NYcruiser · 12-07-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by uf-engineer

How will I know if the map is working? Do I need to be pulling the plugs and checking them for a lean running condition? Are there any other ways to tell if the map is working properly. Lean vs rich .

Your only way will be the good old fashoned "seat of your pants dyno"

Plugs also...

tnhunter · 12-07-2005

I saw a device on the internet that was supposed to let you tune it by the color of the flame in the chamber. I will see if I can still find that. Seemed interesting. Plugs will do the same you just have to wait longer to see the results.

uf-engineer · 12-07-2005

I just don't want to damage anything.

tnhunter · 12-07-2005

I know what you mean. I felt the same way the first few times I turned a wrench on it but I am getting more comfortable with it not being as fragile as we think.

*trikebubble* · 12-07-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by uf-engineer

I just don't want to damage anything.

The map I am currently running, the one from Frank, has 15000km on it and hasn't missed a beat. I have run my bike at speeds of 75-80 mph for the better part of an hour without any negative effects. i have run it at great altitude, packed with gear, extreme heat, cold, rain etc. and never have i had a problem.
I geuss it depends on where you get a map from, but again i have been happy with what I am running so far.

12-06-2005	#1 (permalink)
uf-engineer Turtle Wax Taster BTK Intermediate Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 162	Mean Streak Dyno Tuning Question I’ll be finishing up the intake, exhaust and power commander install on my 2005 Mean Streak this weekend. I live in Jacksonville, Florida and found someone who will tune the bike. They list two alternatives: (1) a regular dyno tuning with custom map for $250 or (2) an advanced tuning with custom map for $300. They said with the advanced tuning they would tune each cylinder where the regular tuning just tunes the engine overall. Which one should I choose? Also, it’s colder than normal here in Florida. Ok it’s not snowing, but it’s not your typical 90 degree weather either. Should I wait until the summer to tune the engine? Will there be much difference in the warmer months if I have the engine tuned now? Will I need two maps one for winter and one for summer or can I have the bike tuned now and make adjustments myself for the summer months if needed? Thanks MC

12-06-2005	#2 (permalink)
Phatboy Rides a lazyboy on wheels BTK Expert Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Virginia Posts: 2,564	Definately go for the advanced map since you have 2-2 pipes. Have them map at 250 increments too. __________________ Phatboy 04 1600 Classic Black 02 Dodge Cummins

12-06-2005	#3 (permalink)
T-man Deerslayer & BTK Expert Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Maryville, TN Posts: 1,266	Depends what you want...a)know you did the best you could do and squeeze out every last HP and in-lb of torque, or b) know you got 99% of what is available at the current environmental conditions and current conditions of your engine (sensors, etc.) and won't likely tell the diff, unless you are planning to go to the track. As far as when to do it, your FI bike senses air temp BUT makes alterations as air temp changes based on what is stored in the ECU and THAT is based on the stock machine, different than what you now have. If the dyno is located outside and you have runs with 50 degree ambient temps, I would not do it now. But if the dyno is inside and air temps are 70+, I would think it good 'nuff for the typical range of biking temps. Oh, I also would watch humidity at the inlet; don't do it on a rainy day. Again, to each his own, the diffs are small, IMHO, and doubtful you will 'feel' the diff when you run the bike. __________________ T-man VROC #12333 2005 V2K Ltd 2001 1500 Classic FI http://www.geocities.com/tensman_99/mcpics.html

12-06-2005	#4 (permalink)
kingofwings Posting Slacker Forum Supporter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Honesdale, PA Posts: 2,617	I have paid for 2 custom maps/dyno runs and I don't use the maps I got from the dealer. I use a map from the internet. I have run literally dozens of VERY different maps and have found only minor differences in performance. I've been using the "Bub Jug Huggers exhaust and Thunder Manufacturing Tornado air intake" map off the Powercommander.com site all season and love it. It's and advanced map in 250 RPM increments, I think the guy knew what he was doing. Can't hurt to try it..... __________________ *R.I.P. Deron*

12-06-2005	#5 (permalink)
Frankt07 Ridden like a Ford! BTK Expert Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Miami, Fl Posts: 4,020	uf-engineer is this shop a dynojet authorized tuner? if so, go for the advanced tuning. i learned the hard way ($700) that i should've gone to the dynojet shop the first time my suggestion is go for the advanced __________________ 2001 Black Mustang GT 2005 Phantom Silver 1500 Classic Royal Purple synthetic oil in both

12-07-2005	#7 (permalink)
tcobar Can't find time to ride BTK Expert Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Tarzana, CA Posts: 516	I have the map and want to upload it, but the attachement system tells me that I don't have room and will not allow me to upload? What do I need to do? If any of you guys want the different maps, send me a PM and I can email to your personal email. I have about 6 different ones....

12-07-2005	#8 (permalink)
tcobar Can't find time to ride BTK Expert Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Tarzana, CA Posts: 516	Here are some of the previous posts with some of the maps ready to download... Also, some good information to read on ... http://www.kawasakimotorcycle.org/fo...ommander+M ap http://www.kawasakimotorcycle.org/fo...ommander+M ap http://www.kawasakimotorcycle.org/fo...ommander+Ma p However, there is a better Map. Has two fuel tables, one per cylinder. After trying them all, I stuck with this one. I wanted to post it here, but the attachement system won't let me ....

12-07-2005	#9 (permalink)
Phatboy Rides a lazyboy on wheels BTK Expert Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Virginia Posts: 2,564	If you look at the advanced maps you'll see that the two cylinders are mapped quite differently. I picked JohnnyCheese's brain a while back and he recommended advanced maps for 2-2 pipes such as the HK's. I just have a basic map If I ever get mine remapped I'll get the advanced map plus I'd like to add the timing module too for a few more hp __________________ Phatboy 04 1600 Classic Black 02 Dodge Cummins

12-07-2005	#10 (permalink)
kingofwings Posting Slacker Forum Supporter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Honesdale, PA Posts: 2,617	Here is the link to the map I'm talking about... I think it's also the one Tony is refering to: http://www.powercommander.com/maps/0...S/m215-005.exe It's an advanced map... one for each cylinder. Runs great on my bike. Tornado kit, PCIII and Cobra Speedsters (also 2-2). __________________ *R.I.P. Deron*

12-07-2005	#11 (permalink)
NYcruiser Red Lodge Approved BTK Expert Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Upstate NY - boonies Posts: 1,731	Using a shared map is better than nothing... BUT... that map was made for a different bike, elevation (?), exact mods (?), riding style (?).. I would get a custom map, but ONLY if the person doing it is reputable.. nothing better than a bike with a custom map.. __________________ Ian 2005 Kawasaki V2K - Black I wouldnt trust a man that didnt try to steal a little...

12-07-2005	#12 (permalink)
tnhunter Way Too Much Free Time BTK Expert Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Nashville "music city" Posts: 1,320	Depends on how much 300 dollars is to you. Personally around Christmas the money would have a different function for me. I would try the download maps first. If I did take it to get it tuned though, I would go all out and get the best. __________________ 87 vn1500b 88se Jardine pipes stage 1 jet 87 Gl1200I Goldwing load up, head out.

12-07-2005	#13 (permalink)
uf-engineer Turtle Wax Taster BTK Intermediate Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 162	Yes they are an authorized dyno'er. They are the only authorized dyno'er who have the TL tuning function. I'm not sure what TL tuning does. Power Commander said that it make tuning the bike easier. If an internet map works, I'll probably wait for the summer to do it. Thanks All

12-07-2005	#14 (permalink)
trikebubble RIP Brother Deron Extreme Forum Supporter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Okanagan Falls, BC Posts: 18,639	I am currently running a map that Frank (kingofwings) genorously shot my way last spring. The gains over stock are very noticeable. I don't really have a concerns about having my bike personally dyno'd (not that their is any authorized shop within 250 miles anyway) and will likely swap over to another map next springthat Frank mentioned above. __________________ 2005 V2K Ltd "I'll ride the wave where it takes me, I'll hold the pain release me"

12-07-2005	#15 (permalink)
uf-engineer Turtle Wax Taster BTK Intermediate Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 162	How will I know if the map is working? Do I need to be pulling the plugs and checking them for a lean running condition? Are there any other ways to tell if the map is working properly. Lean vs rich .

12-07-2005	#17 (permalink)
tnhunter Way Too Much Free Time BTK Expert Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Nashville "music city" Posts: 1,320	I saw a device on the internet that was supposed to let you tune it by the color of the flame in the chamber. I will see if I can still find that. Seemed interesting. Plugs will do the same you just have to wait longer to see the results. __________________ 87 vn1500b 88se Jardine pipes stage 1 jet 87 Gl1200I Goldwing load up, head out.

12-07-2005	#18 (permalink)
uf-engineer Turtle Wax Taster BTK Intermediate Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 162	I just don't want to damage anything.

12-07-2005	#19 (permalink)
tnhunter Way Too Much Free Time BTK Expert Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Nashville "music city" Posts: 1,320	I know what you mean. I felt the same way the first few times I turned a wrench on it but I am getting more comfortable with it not being as fragile as we think. __________________ 87 vn1500b 88se Jardine pipes stage 1 jet 87 Gl1200I Goldwing load up, head out.

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