2005 Classic 800 more pep then 2000 drifter!

[Mercury]

Hi guys... I recently bought a 2000 drifter 800. Love the bike. About 6000 miles on it.

My dad recently got a 2005 800 classic with very low miles on it. (360 miles)

I took my dads to work today, it seems to have a totally different ratio or something for the highway. My 800 drifter doesnt get to 100 too easily. Today, just checking the classic out - I went to 100 in 5th easily. (I realize this is not supposed to be done during break in, so i went to 100 and quickly went back down below 80, if i go 60 on the highway up here ill be run over.

Does anybody know the reason for this - i cant beleive its the lost weight of the classic. I can beleive it may have something to do with the exhuast since the classic has a pipe per cylender and the drifter has the 2 into 1 stock exhaust

Ideas? Opinions? Ways to make the drifter wake up?

Thanks, Kenny

[Crue]

A 2 into 1 pipe always yields more performance then a 2 into 2 so that's not the issue. Maybe the previous owner of your Drifter put a different sized sprocket on the bike to give it more low end grunt. Both bikes have the same engine so you would think they would perform on par.

[Mercury]

Thanks creu - I didnt know 2 into 1 pipes offered more performance... i would think the oppisite because of more "flow"

anyway - ill check with the guy i bought it off of... man its been a while i cant remember if I have his name and number any more...

anythis else i can do to wake it up?

Thanks Kenny

[Johnny5]

I think the Drifter is geared a bit differently.

[Mercury]

If that is the case, id like to know what the 800 classic sprockets are and what the drifter sprokets are...

is the gearing you are talking about related to the sprokets or are you actually talking about the gears in the engine / trans?

Hey on your 900 how do you like that belt drive?

Kenny

[Johnny5]

I love the belt, granted it's my first belt driven bike and I've only had the bike for a couple weeks but it's quiet and smooth.

[Mercury]

Thanks Johnny... next bike i get will have belt drive...

When you mentioned the gearing is different before did you mean the sprokets or the internal gearing of the trans?

I will check my sprokets at home today - trouble is the drifter has that big A$$ fender cant see much under there...

Will count the rear one on the classic though and half the ones on the drifter - i should get an idea if they are differnt or not - for the rear sprket at least.

Thanks, Kenny

[woodchucks800]

Originally Posted by Mercury

Thanks Johnny... next bike i get will have belt drive...

When you mentioned the gearing is different before did you mean the sprokets or the internal gearing of the trans?

I will check my sprokets at home today - trouble is the drifter has that big A$$ fender cant see much under there...

Will count the rear one on the classic though and half the ones on the drifter - i should get an idea if they are differnt or not - for the rear sprket at least.

Thanks, Kenny

Stock gearing on the 800 classic is a 17/42 combo (stock)and the drifter is a 17/40 combo,(stock) which means your drifter is geared a bit lower.

[Crue]

Originally Posted by Mercury

Thanks Johnny... next bike i get will have belt drive...

There is a belt drive conversion for the Drifter. I know a guy that has it on his and he loves it.

[woodchucks800]

Originally Posted by Crue

There is a belt drive conversion for the Drifter. I know a guy that has it on his and he loves it.

Sorry to jump in here Crue but you better tell your friend that the aftermarket belt conversion kits from scootworks for the 800 tend to but undependable longivity wise, you'll be hard pressed to find any 800 owners that have gone more than 20,000 miles without some major problems with the front pully and output shaft. I could get into more details about the kit, but the short of it is that it's a problem waiting to happen.

[Mercury]

thanks WOODCHUCKS....

So folks can the 2 teeth difference really mean that much to me?

I mean ok the drifter has more weight, and a windsheild. But I noticed I got the classic to 100 easily!

I tried with my drifter and it just wont do it so easy...

I cant wait to open up the drifter a little with a new exhaust and an intake, then i guess ill have to rejet that carb!

KEnny

[Archie]

[ (I realize this is not supposed to be done during break in, so i went to 100 and quickly went back down below 80, if i go 60 on the highway up here ill be run over.

Just a quick note on what u said about break in period, check this website out not just my opinion

http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm

should be usefull to your dad.

[Archie]

[quote=Archie][ (I realize this is not supposed to be done during break in, so i went to 100 and quickly went back down below 80, if i go 60 on the highway up here ill be run over.

Just a quick note on what u said about break in period, check this website out not just my opinion

http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm

should be usefull to your dad.

[woodchucks800]

Originally Posted by Mercury

thanks WOODCHUCKS....

So folks can the 2 teeth difference really mean that much to me?

I mean ok the drifter has more weight, and a windsheild. But I noticed I got the classic to 100 easily!

I tried with my drifter and it just wont do it so easy...

I cant wait to open up the drifter a little with a new exhaust and an intake, then i guess ill have to rejet that carb!

KEnny

If anything your gearing should let you get a little more on the top end compared to the classic gearing. Have you ever hit the rev limiter yet? You should be able to hit 100 in third gear alone. after you do the pipes and intake ,don't be surprised if you come close to burying the speedo in fourth( if you can handle the speed that is) And if your really wanting a kick in the pants with your 800 ,save up about 500 bucks and I'll hook you up with some NOS.

[Archie]

OOps forgot to mention I have run in all my Bikes and cars with the above web page method way before the guy had a web site since the 1970's

[Mercury]

interesting read that you have there.... thanks!

Kenny

[Mercury]

Originally Posted by woodchucks800

If anything your gearing should let you get a little more on the top end compared to the classic gearing. Have you ever hit the rev limiter yet? You should be able to hit 100 in third gear alone. after you do the pipes and intake ,don't be surprised if you come close to burying the speedo in fourth( if you can handle the speed that is) And if your really wanting a kick in the pants with your 800 ,save up about 500 bucks and I'll hook you up with some NOS.

Welp - I have hit the revlimiter once, I didnt like that too much, I skipped from 4th to 2nd on the highway doing about 70... oops... Didnt last long...

But Youre saying its "ok" to hit the limiter, on the way to work tomarrow ill run 3ed to the rev limiter and see where it ends up.

Youre saying im running to low an RPM, so in reality my drifter will do better in 4th at speeds over 100?
By the way - the drifter has about 6000 miles on it, and im about to do the change over to amsoil synthetic.
Thanks, Kenny

[woodchucks800]

Originally Posted by Mercury

Welp - I have hit the revlimiter once, I didnt like that too much, I skipped from 4th to 2nd on the highway doing about 70... oops... Didnt last long...

But Youre saying its "ok" to hit the limiter, on the way to work tomarrow ill run 3ed to the rev limiter and see where it ends up.

Youre saying im running to low an RPM, so in reality my drifter will do better in 4th at speeds over 100?
By the way - the drifter has about 6000 miles on it, and im about to do the change over to amsoil synthetic.
Thanks, Kenny

Go for it Kenny it won't hurt your bike at all. I know it'll sound like it's really reving high (and it is) but it's made too. Hit it in 1st and 2nd also ,you'll be surprised .

[Mercury]

Originally Posted by woodchucks800

Go for it Kenny it won't hurt your bike at all. I know it'll sound like it's really reving high (and it is) but it's made too. Hit it in 1st and 2nd also ,you'll be surprised .

ok ill try it... let u know tomarrow morning the result

kenny

[bluestringer]

Kenny, Woody is right, you will be surprised what that 800 will do. Hit the limiter often, it's good for it. After I done the exhaust and HI-Five kit on mine, it would almost pull my hands off the grips when I went WOT. I could hit 80 in second and third just kept on going. That was with 18/40 sprocket combo.