Hell's angels and Outlaws question??

[greeneyess82]

These MC's only allow american bikes into membership right??? I could have sworn i saw an outlaw at the bike hangouts the other night with a V2K, could have been wrong but im pretty sure it was a kawi.

[eaglebeak]

It usually depends on the particular club/chapter. I've seen members on metrics before. One dominant group in the Northeast all started out on Triumphs.

[Svetlana]

Originally Posted by eaglebeak

It usually depends on the particular club/chapter. I've seen members on metrics before. One dominant group in the Northeast all started out on Triumphs.

I was going to say that I think it depends on the chapter, too
Different chapters have different requirements, so you might very well have seen an Angel on a Vulcan

[eaglebeak]

Some clubs have also been known to make the metric bikes ride at the back of the pack too.

What is kind of funny are the Aussie clubs that insist on HDs.

[Slow Ride]

I don't think so, at least as far as H.A. goes. they don't allow anything else but H.D.

[Saleenguy]

I saw a group of Hells angels ridingin a pck down the HWY a couple years ago, and at least three of the bikes ( maybe more was hard to see as they were moving) were metric cruisers.

So for sure some ride non-milwaukee stuff.

[eaglebeak]

Originally Posted by Slow Ride

I don't think so, at least as far as H.A. goes. they don't allow anything else but H.D.

Sorry, but I think you are incorrect. It doesn't really matter to me one way or the other, but I'm positive I've seen some on metrics. Some of the clubs do have an "American Only" rule, but many just have a rule based on engine size to make sure you can keep up with the pack.

[Cruz]

The best way to find out is talk with a member. It is hard to figure out club rules from the outside looking in. Old school thought is having everyone in the club riding the same make bike. As your on a ride and may need a repair, who knows some one may have a part in a saddle bag, or could have parts at the club house. According to Sunny's book they pooled resources and talent to help each other. Again that was years ago and I like to think that kind of comradery still exists.

On Saturday 5 Outlaws (Philadelphia chapter) rolled though on the highway as I was headed to work. It was cool to see. I must say out of the 5 bikes maybe 1 or 2 had after market pipes..... I would have bet they all would have had after market pipes, didn't sound like it.

[AdamT2]

Im pretty sure that you have to be a male, over 18, White Hispanic or Asian and ride a Harley

[Saleenguy]

Originally Posted by AdamT2

Im pretty sure that you have to be a male, over 18, White Hispanic or Asian and ride a Harley

So you mean this is not a hells angel in this pic?

[bigtoad]

As far as I know the Hells Angeles require and American made bike with an engine over 1000 cc.

[Sam_Adams]

Originally Posted by AdamT2

Im pretty sure that you have to be a male, over 18, White Hispanic or Asian and ride a Harley

Wait...so they don't require you to smuggle angel dust and heroin from Mexico anymore? What's the point of being in the Hells Angels if you just get together on the weekends to go eat at a bike joint.

There is a little mountain town here that the HAs get together at. And only four of them were arrested this last year (with others wanted) for beating an outlaw with a club.

[insolentminx]

Originally Posted by bigtoad

As far as I know the Hells Angeles require and American made bike with an engine over 1000 cc.

Greeneyess has pretty much made his bike in America... I doubt there's much left on it that is original Kawa, and even so, they're proabably made in the US too...

[Hartless]

Membership
According to the US Department of Justice, HAMC members must be men over 21 years of age and are required to own a Harley Davidson motorcycle.

The full requirements to become a Hells Angel are the following: candidates must be white, have a valid driver's license, have a working Harley Davidson motorcycle and cannot be a child molester or have applied to become a police officer or prison guard.[9]

After a lengthy, phased process, a prospective member is first deemed to be a 'Hang-around', indicating that the individual is invited to some club events or to meet club members at known gathering places.

If the Hang-around is interested, he may be asked to become an 'Associate', a status that usually lasts a year or two. At the end of that stage, he is reclassified as 'Prospect', participating in some club activities, but not having voting privileges, while he is evaluated for suitability as a full member. The last phase, and highest membership status, is 'Full Membership' or 'Full-Patch'.[10] The term Full-Patch refers to the complete four-piece crest, including the 'Death's Head' logo, two rockers (top rocker: 'Hells Angels'; bottom rocker: State or Territory claimed) and the rectangular MC patch below the wing of the Death's Head. Prospects are only allowed to wear a bottom rocker with the word 'Prospect'.

To become a full member, the Prospect must be voted on by the rest of the full club members. Prior to votes being cast, a Prospect usually travels to every chapter in the sponsoring chapter's geographic jurisdiction (state/province/territory) and introduces himself to every Full-Patch. This process allows each voting member to become familiar with the subject and to ask any questions of concern prior to the vote. Successful admission usually requires more than a simple majority, and some clubs may reject a Prospect for a single dissenting vote. Some form of formal induction follows, wherein the Prospect affirms his loyalty to the club and its members. The final logo patch (top Hells Angels rocker) is then awarded at this initiation ceremony. The step of attaining full membership can be referred to as "being patched".

Police say the Hells Angels is the only criminal organization that advertises on the backs of its members, who can be easily identified by its official insignia -- a winged "death's head" skull, a bottom "rocker" that indicates the territory controlled by the chapter and a top rocker with the name of the club.

These are commonly called the club's colours or patches. "Bearing the insignia of the club allows members to be identified as the most powerful outlaw biker gang in the world," Sgt. Jacques Lemieux, a Canadian police outlaw-motorcycle-gang expert, wrote in a report filed in court in support of a police search warrant executed last year on the clubhouse of the Nanaimo chapter of the Hells Angels.

"It demands respect by other biker gangs and demonstrates the member's loyalty to the club," the report said. "The Hells Angels also wear their colours in order to intimidate other biker gangs and the general public, either directly or indirectly." The colours, worn on a leather or denim vest, are members' most valued item but remain the property of the Hells Angels, which has trademarked its insignia.

"Colours are sacred and only full club members can wear them," Lemieux wrote. "Prospects can only wear the lower rocker indicating the territory controlled by the club and the letters MC."

It can take years for members to earn their patches. This, along with the fact that the Hells Angels has a structured hierarchy not unlike a paramilitary organization, makes it almost impossible for police to infiltrate the club.

Those who want to become members must first be accepted as an "official friend," who is sponsored by a full member and must receive majority approval in a chapter vote. These individuals begin by guarding and maintaining the clubhouse, washing motorcycles and doing odd jobs for everyone ahead of them. They cannot attend meetings.

Candidates must be white, have a valid driver's licence, a running bike and cannot be a child molester or have taken steps to become a police officer or prison guard.

The next step is a "hangaround," who cannot wear colours but can wear a small black-and-white patch on the front of his vest with the name of the sponsoring chapter. He cannot attend meetings and must obey orders from members and prospects.

A "prospect" is a person who has gained the confidence of other members, demonstrating his loyalty by obeying and carrying out orders. He can't attend meetings but wears the lower rocker, showing the territory, and a prospect badge on the left side of his vest. The probation period can last six months to two years, depending on his ability to "take care of business." A full member must receive majority approval in a vote by chapter members.

Another category without official status is "associates" -- trusted friends of Hells Angels members who don't attend meetings but might be invited to parties and on motorcycle "runs."

"The associate assists club members by facilitating, promoting and protecting their criminal activities," Lemieux's report said.

"Loyalty is the fundamental principle of the Hells Angels ... This principle is so important that acts of betrayal are punishable by severe sanctions ranging from a beating to [even] death," the report added.

"Each chapter is self-sufficient in the sense that all of its members have a say in the chapter's decisions, internal disciplinary measures against members and criminal activities of the chapter with regard to its territory (eg. extortion, drug trafficking etc.).

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Outlaw motorcycle gangs first appeared in the U.S. in the late 1940s, after the Second World War, when veterans unable to adapt to civilian life sought camaraderie, thrills and a shared passion for motorcycles. They found excitement in fights and orgies, Lemieux says.

The first motorcycle gang came to police attention in 1947 in Hollister, Calif., when members of a group calling itself the ****ed Off *******s of Bloomington (POBOB) were arrested. A riot ensued when others members tried to free their compatriots by attacking the city jail.

After the Hollister incident, the president of the American Motorcycle Association declared that only about one per cent of motorcyclists were troublemakers. Since then, outlaw bikers have proudly called themselves "One Percenters" -- outlaws living outside the laws of society.

A year after the incident, the Bloomington bikers took on the name Hells Angels and moved to San Bernardino, Calif. Their winged-skull insignia was a variation of ones painted on Second World War fighter planes and bombers. (The name Hells Angels, also painted on planes, was inspired by the 1930 movie Hell's Angels by Howard Hughes, about a fictional First World War fighter squadron.)

The Hells Angels now have 189 chapters in 22 countries around the world. Membership exceeds 2,000 full members and prospects.

The first chapter expansion outside California took place in New Zealand in 1961. In Canada, the Hells Angels took over the Montreal Popeyes gang in 1977, followed by a Laval chapter in 1979. In B.C., three chapters of Satan's Angels became Hells Angels in 1983. Each Hells Angels chapter has weekly meetings, referred to as "church."

Under the chapter power structure, the president is the absolute leader and has veto power over decisions made by members.

The vice-president replaces the president in his absence. The sergeant-at-arms is responsible for discipline at club meetings, funerals and special events. The secretary-treasurer keeps minutes of club meetings and manages the club's finances, including member dues, fines and paying club bills and expenses. He also sometimes acts as an intelligence officer, gathering information about police and rivals.

The road captain is in charge of organizing mandatory club runs, including the destination and stops for food and gas. At club meetings, if questions arise about criminal activity, "they are presented on a chalk board that is later erased or on paper that is later burned or otherwise destroyed," according to Lemieux's report.

Club rules forbid rapes, the use of heroin or burns (rip-offs in drug deals) that would adversely affect the club's reputation.

"The Hells Angels collect intelligence on rival biker gangs and the police," Lemieux's report said. "The Hells Angels also use women to acquire intelligence regarding rivals and police officers. The women are placed in key positions, for example, with the military, as air-traffic controllers and with different government agencies to provide valuable information and service for the bikers."

Lemieux says Hells Angels members work in cells -- small groups of trusted people, including criminal associates. Often, the lower-level people do not know who the head man is, reducing his chances of being arrested.

Occasionally, police arrest top-echelon associates such as Norman Rosenblum, a Vancouver man who was arrested 10 years ago after an RCMP undercover operation in Montreal.

Rosenblum told an undercover operator that he was a drug importation coordinator -- court documents say he reported directly to Montreal drug-trafficker Luis Cantieri, whom the Montreal Gazette described as "one of the kingpins of a drug network, with connections to Mafia bosses Vito Rizzuto and Frank Cotroni."

Rosenblum was aboard a boat off the coast of Colombia when 558 kilograms of cocaine was transferred to an undercover vessel. The drugs were destined for Hells Angels International in London, England.

Rosenblum, who was arrested with 40 others, was sentenced to 13 years in prison for his role in the drug and money-laundering scheme

[Slow Ride]

Originally Posted by eaglebeak

Sorry, but I think you are incorrect. It doesn't really matter to me one way or the other, but I'm positive I've seen some on metrics. Some of the clubs do have an "American Only" rule, but many just have a rule based on engine size to make sure you can keep up with the pack.

I am only talking H.A. they don't allow metrics. If you saw some memebers on metrics they were not H.A.

HAMC members must be men over 21 years of age and are required to own a Harley Davidson motorcycle.

[NCDave]

Interesting they way it's phrased "According to the Department of Justice". I had to laugh at the thought that the DOJ are the ones that set the membership rules!

[Hoyett]

So I guess I can cross being a "Hell's Angel" off my bucket list...Damn the luck...


Kawasaki Vulcan 1500 Classic...

[insolentminx]

Originally Posted by NCDave

Interesting they way it's phrased "According to the Department of Justice". I had to laugh at the thought that the DOJ are the ones that set the membership rules!

They don't set the rules, but I imagine they're the best source of intelligence regarding what the rules would be after arresting and interrogating members.

I don't think HA have a website or a membership requirements booklet, do they?

[eaglebeak]

Originally Posted by insolentminx

I don't think HA have a website or a membership requirements booklet, do they?

Hells Angels MC World

[eaglebeak]

Originally Posted by Slow Ride

I am only talking H.A. they don't allow metrics. If you saw some memebers on metrics they were not H.A.

HAMC members must be men over 21 years of age and are required to own a Harley Davidson motorcycle.

There no doubt that most HA members ride Harleys, but it is not true that all of them do. This is especially true overseas. All you have to do is look at their websites and you will find plenty of them on metrics.

And you guys getting your info from the DOJ...LOL