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Mercury · 01-23-2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by drumrnj

I just put the gas in about four days ago so that should be fine. I could not find where the frigin plug is located on this bike for some reason. It has been sitting outside for about two months and yes, it was running fine after the head was replaced and nothing has changed since then. As a matter of fact, I brought it back in for adjustments right after the head was replaced for a seal and that was it. It sat because it was getting too cold to ride.

ok i see your name says drumrnj, do u live in nj?

i do, and I am only fininsing up my clutch tomorrow and got nothing else going on

if your close, ill come take a loook

kenny

drumrnj · 01-23-2009

I actually live in New York (Queens). Originally from New Jersey. I would appreciate all the help I can get . Thank You for offering.
George

drumrnj · 01-23-2009

I really dont think it is anything major because like I said I just put a lot of money into this bike. it seems that for some reason gas is not getting all the way through.

Mercury · 01-23-2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by drumrnj

I actually live in New York (Queens). Originally from New Jersey. I would appreciate all the help I can get . Thank You for offering.
George

a little fartther then i wanted to go....

anyway... lets start at the top... its got gas oil and coolant, the choke is (pulled out) and you run the starter and nothing happends?

you tried flipping the throttle to get some gas prime in there? Did you check the petcock for what pos it is in? Have you tried draining the gas from the carb bowl?

it has been sitting outside? what year is it etc...

the more info the better

sorry if you went through all this already, but i missed it

kenny

drumrnj · 01-23-2009

Thats Ok, I really need the help. It is a 1994 Vulcan EN500. Originally the battery seemed to be draining after the bike has been sitting in the cold for almost two months. I bought a charger and charged the old battery but it didnt take to good. I bought a brand new battery (does not take distilled water). I guess it is called a gell. The bike has gas and I just noticed that I do have to put oil in tomorrow.
I have the choke pulled out with the pet **** in the on position. When I first try to start it, it will turn over and shut off right away and then it keeps cranking with no turn over.
I know little about fixing bikes but I really cant afford to put any more money into it so I need to do this on my own or get help. I do not know how to drain the gas from the carb bowl. Can you talk me through it? are you familiar with this bike. I am even having a hard time finding the plug believe it or not.
I also have been turning the throttle to prime it before trying to start it. '
Thats about where I am at.
Thank You so much for all your help.
George

Mercury · 01-23-2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by drumrnj

Thats Ok, I really need the help. It is a 1994 Vulcan EN500. Originally the battery seemed to be draining after the bike has been sitting in the cold for almost two months. I bought a charger and charged the old battery but it didnt take to good. I bought a brand new battery (does not take distilled water). I guess it is called a gell. The bike has gas and I just noticed that I do have to put oil in tomorrow.
I have the choke pulled out with the pet **** in the on position. When I first try to start it, it will turn over and shut off right away and then it keeps cranking with no turn over.
I know little about fixing bikes but I really cant afford to put any more money into it so I need to do this on my own or get help. I do not know how to drain the gas from the carb bowl. Can you talk me through it? are you familiar with this bike. I am even having a hard time finding the plug believe it or not.
I also have been turning the throttle to prime it before trying to start it. '
Thats about where I am at.
Thank You so much for all your help.
George

good enough... if the bike fires once it sounds like it gets fumes or a little fuel and thats it... have you twised the pet **** to other posistions to try that? Also, what temperature is the bike AT now...?

the plug on that bike well... i think thats an inline 4 is it not? or a V4? i think u got 4 plugs my man... so its a little more trickey...

do u have the air filter off? Do u have starter fluid? If it starts on starting fluid... i have to think it is not getting fuel..

why does it need oil? It was totally empty?

kenny

drumrnj · 01-23-2009

Yes, I have twisted the petcock to other position. The bike now is garaged and at about 40 degrees..maybe a little less.
I am looking at the manual and under spark plugs it says:

NGK D9EA or ND X27ES-U
<C> NGK DR8ES or ND X27ESR-U

I guess this is saying what plugs the bike takes but I can not figure out if it is an inline 4......sorry
I do not have the air filter off but I will check that. That would be under the seat..correct?
I will try starting fluid if that is what you suggest.
I noticed that it was low on oil when I check earlier today. I put a stick in and it came out dry. I know this is not a good sign, but there are no leaks that I can see. I will check again tomorrow to be sure that it does need oil.
Thanks
George
I have the book in front of me so I may be able to answer any questions you have

drumrnj · 01-23-2009

I do know that bike does have two cylinders

drumrnj · 01-23-2009

It is 2-cylinder 4-stroke liquid cooled

drumrnj · 01-23-2009

By the way, What should I use for Coolant?

Weslyn Stewart · 01-23-2009

Try the start fluid . If it runs the floats are probably stuck. Try to tap on the bowls, NOT to hard. If that dont work you will need to pull the carb bowls off and free the needles. Put oil in first !!!!!!!!!!!!!!Bad things hapen with out oil.

Joram · 01-23-2009

sounds to me that you might have flooded the bike and the plugs are fouled.

You are getting some spark and a crank on the first go.

I would pull the air cleaner and let the carb dry out while pulling the plugs and checking them. Spry a sqirt of starter fluid in the carb and crank it over without giving it gas.

Weslyn Stewart · 01-23-2009

The oil level glass is on the lower end of the right side cover just below the oil fill plug. the bike needs to be level not on kick stsnd to get the proper reading. as far as the coolant I juts use what i put in my truck and car.

drumrnj · 01-23-2009

Let me just ask you quick...You should see oil when you open it up , correct ? because if its not empty, it is extremely low.

Mercury · 01-23-2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by drumrnj

Yes, I have twisted the petcock to other position. The bike now is garaged and at about 40 degrees..maybe a little less.
I am looking at the manual and under spark plugs it says:

NGK D9EA or ND X27ES-U
<C> NGK DR8ES or ND X27ESR-U

I guess this is saying what plugs the bike takes but I can not figure out if it is an inline 4......sorry
I do not have the air filter off but I will check that. That would be under the seat..correct?
I will try starting fluid if that is what you suggest.
I noticed that it was low on oil when I check earlier today. I put a stick in and it came out dry. I know this is not a good sign, but there are no leaks that I can see. I will check again tomorrow to be sure that it does need oil.
Thanks
George
I have the book in front of me so I may be able to answer any questions you have

there is a serious problem in your statement here...

sticking a stick in the oil fill hole is not how you check the oil level, more likely then not your stick bottomed out on the crankshaft - heck i can do the same thing with my bike with perfectly good oil level and it will come out dry...

the point is NEVER use a stick to measure the oil... set the bike level, and use the sight glass on the side of the bike...

if it was running fine, then was stored for 2 months i think it has to be a fuel issue... usually electronics dont just "go bad" plus u said it does fire up now and again...

could be moisture got into the gas too...

on the bottom of the carb there should be a small drain, that will drain the bowl, i would do this and see if water or dirt comes out

kenny

drumrnj · 01-23-2009

OK, So first Oil
Second, Starter Fluid in the Carb. (do I have to be careful where I put the fluid ? )
Third, Remove the air filter (Where is it located ?) and let the carb dry out.
Remove the plugs and checking them (Should I pick up some plugs while I am at the auto parts store tomorrow? )

I think you are on the right track because it does sound flooded and also there was some snow and I am wondering if the carb could be a bit wet. What do you think ?

drumrnj · 01-23-2009

Thank you...I am new to this, but I did not use a stick and it sounded worse than it was. It was actually a plastic hanger and gently placed it in to see if I got any reading.
Is it difficult to get at that drain on the bottom of the carb on this bike ?
Also, Can I remove the gas tank with no problem or are there hoses that I have to be careful of ?

Baldguy · 01-24-2009

I had the same bike....a 1996.

1. It's a vertical twin motor. The spark plugs are located right on top of each head, one on the right side of the bike, the other on the left. If you use a #14 or #12 (can't remember) deep socket with a u joint adapter, you can get the plugs out without moving the gas tank. You can't see the plugs without the tank off. Follow the plug wire and it will lead you to the plug.

2. My bike started right up almost every time without the choke. It certainly did not like to start with the choke all the way out. Try cranking it without the choke on at all. I know it's cold out, but these motors tend to like that IMHO.

3. The sight glass for the oil on on the right side of the bike, down at the bottom of the motor just to the rear of the right foot peg. When YOU are on the ground, gently pull the bike toward you so that the bike is fairly level and see that the oil is half way or in the middle of the glass.

4. In order to spray starter fluid into this bike, you either have to take off the carb boots or you have to get the air filter out which involves taking off the left side cover, removing or moving the various relays and other electrical connections. Then the air filter slides out of the filter holder and the airbox. You can then shoot some spray in there.

I'd recommend a shop manual for you and the bike....has pics and all.

Hope this helps.

jeffs99vulcan · 01-24-2009

Good morning George!

I see you got some great info from where we left off over night... I'll chip in a little more now that I have read everything.

-I think you may be flooding the bike by giving it throttle while you are trying to start it. While every bike is different, I know I can't throttle mine, and it starts best with full choke, no throttle. I HIGHLY value BALBGUY's advice though, since he had the same bike, but I think Joram has a great point, you've got to make sure it's dried out before you try again.

-Checking the plugs at this point is still a good idea... if they are wet, you're going to know a lot more than you do now, and we'll know what direction to go next. That may be a pain, but it's a start and a valuable piece of info.

-I'm really starting to think it could be as simple as vacuum at this point. There should be a vacuum hose that runs between the fuel petcock and the carb. Make sure that's on at both ends. That has cause my bike to start and die, which sounds similar to what yours is doing...

-no, you can't check your oil by looking or putting any kind of dipstick in the case... the dipstick will hit parts before it hits oil and will only LOOK dry... but it's CRITICAL to make sure, using the sight glass, that you have the right amount of oil in it before we get it started...

Trust me, even a few seconds will hurt... and when you finally do get it going (which we WILL), you'll be so excited that you'll forget about the oil and then we'll be helping you look for another engine instead of fixing the one you have!

drumrnj · 01-24-2009

Thank You so much
Can anyone help me with a step by step on checking the plugs on this bike. I really need to do this, but I dont want to make any mistakes. I am assuming I have to remove the gas tank to get at these parts. What is the best way to do this if I have to? Are there hoses on the bottom of the tank to be careful or or remove. Please let me know. Thanks
I know WE WILL GET THIS STARTED and You have no idea how much I appreciate all the help I am getting. I owe you !
George

01-23-2009	#1112 (permalink)
Joram Kimberly Dawn 1966 - 2009 BTK Expert Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Panama City, Fl Posts: 996	sounds to me that you might have flooded the bike and the plugs are fouled. You are getting some spark and a crank on the first go. I would pull the air cleaner and let the carb dry out while pulling the plugs and checking them. Spry a sqirt of starter fluid in the carb and crank it over without giving it gas. __________________ 1995 VN800A Just Get a Bigger Hammer !! National Vulcan Riders Forum

01-24-2009	#1119 (permalink)
jeffs99vulcan Keeper of Donkey Forum Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Ottawa, ON Posts: 13,803	Good morning George! I see you got some great info from where we left off over night... I'll chip in a little more now that I have read everything. -I think you may be flooding the bike by giving it throttle while you are trying to start it. While every bike is different, I know I can't throttle mine, and it starts best with full choke, no throttle. I HIGHLY value BALBGUY's advice though, since he had the same bike, but I think Joram has a great point, you've got to make sure it's dried out before you try again. -Checking the plugs at this point is still a good idea... if they are wet, you're going to know a lot more than you do now, and we'll know what direction to go next. That may be a pain, but it's a start and a valuable piece of info. -I'm really starting to think it could be as simple as vacuum at this point. There should be a vacuum hose that runs between the fuel petcock and the carb. Make sure that's on at both ends. That has cause my bike to start and die, which sounds similar to what yours is doing... -no, you can't check your oil by looking or putting any kind of dipstick in the case... the dipstick will hit parts before it hits oil and will only LOOK dry... but it's CRITICAL to make sure, using the sight glass, that you have the right amount of oil in it before we get it started... Trust me, even a few seconds will hurt... and when you finally do get it going (which we WILL), you'll be so excited that you'll forget about the oil and then we'll be helping you look for another engine instead of fixing the one you have! __________________ Jeff - Ottawa, Ontario '99 Vulcan 800 Classic I WAS THERE! Day of Donkey August 8, 2009 Kansas March '09 M-o-M

01-23-2009	#1102 (permalink)
drumrnj Finally Got Into First Gear BTK Beginner Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 55	I actually live in New York (Queens). Originally from New Jersey. I would appreciate all the help I can get . Thank You for offering. George

01-23-2009	#1103 (permalink)
drumrnj Finally Got Into First Gear BTK Beginner Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 55	I really dont think it is anything major because like I said I just put a lot of money into this bike. it seems that for some reason gas is not getting all the way through.

01-23-2009	#1105 (permalink)
drumrnj Finally Got Into First Gear BTK Beginner Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 55	Thats Ok, I really need the help. It is a 1994 Vulcan EN500. Originally the battery seemed to be draining after the bike has been sitting in the cold for almost two months. I bought a charger and charged the old battery but it didnt take to good. I bought a brand new battery (does not take distilled water). I guess it is called a gell. The bike has gas and I just noticed that I do have to put oil in tomorrow. I have the choke pulled out with the pet **** in the on position. When I first try to start it, it will turn over and shut off right away and then it keeps cranking with no turn over. I know little about fixing bikes but I really cant afford to put any more money into it so I need to do this on my own or get help. I do not know how to drain the gas from the carb bowl. Can you talk me through it? are you familiar with this bike. I am even having a hard time finding the plug believe it or not. I also have been turning the throttle to prime it before trying to start it. ' Thats about where I am at. Thank You so much for all your help. George

01-23-2009	#1107 (permalink)
drumrnj Finally Got Into First Gear BTK Beginner Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 55	Yes, I have twisted the petcock to other position. The bike now is garaged and at about 40 degrees..maybe a little less. I am looking at the manual and under spark plugs it says: NGK D9EA or ND X27ES-U <C> NGK DR8ES or ND X27ESR-U I guess this is saying what plugs the bike takes but I can not figure out if it is an inline 4......sorry I do not have the air filter off but I will check that. That would be under the seat..correct? I will try starting fluid if that is what you suggest. I noticed that it was low on oil when I check earlier today. I put a stick in and it came out dry. I know this is not a good sign, but there are no leaks that I can see. I will check again tomorrow to be sure that it does need oil. Thanks George I have the book in front of me so I may be able to answer any questions you have

01-23-2009	#1108 (permalink)
drumrnj Finally Got Into First Gear BTK Beginner Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 55	I do know that bike does have two cylinders

01-23-2009	#1109 (permalink)
drumrnj Finally Got Into First Gear BTK Beginner Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 55	It is 2-cylinder 4-stroke liquid cooled

01-23-2009	#1110 (permalink)
drumrnj Finally Got Into First Gear BTK Beginner Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 55	By the way, What should I use for Coolant?

01-23-2009	#1111 (permalink)
Weslyn Stewart Still On The Kickstand Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Lake Worth, Tx. Posts: 35	Try the start fluid . If it runs the floats are probably stuck. Try to tap on the bowls, NOT to hard. If that dont work you will need to pull the carb bowls off and free the needles. Put oil in first !!!!!!!!!!!!!!Bad things hapen with out oil.

01-23-2009	#1113 (permalink)
Weslyn Stewart Still On The Kickstand Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Lake Worth, Tx. Posts: 35	The oil level glass is on the lower end of the right side cover just below the oil fill plug. the bike needs to be level not on kick stsnd to get the proper reading. as far as the coolant I juts use what i put in my truck and car.

01-23-2009	#1114 (permalink)
drumrnj Finally Got Into First Gear BTK Beginner Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 55	Let me just ask you quick...You should see oil when you open it up , correct ? because if its not empty, it is extremely low.

01-23-2009	#1116 (permalink)
drumrnj Finally Got Into First Gear BTK Beginner Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 55	OK, So first Oil Second, Starter Fluid in the Carb. (do I have to be careful where I put the fluid ? ) Third, Remove the air filter (Where is it located ?) and let the carb dry out. Remove the plugs and checking them (Should I pick up some plugs while I am at the auto parts store tomorrow? ) I think you are on the right track because it does sound flooded and also there was some snow and I am wondering if the carb could be a bit wet. What do you think ?

01-23-2009	#1117 (permalink)
drumrnj Finally Got Into First Gear BTK Beginner Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 55	Thank you...I am new to this, but I did not use a stick and it sounded worse than it was. It was actually a plastic hanger and gently placed it in to see if I got any reading. Is it difficult to get at that drain on the bottom of the carb on this bike ? Also, Can I remove the gas tank with no problem or are there hoses that I have to be careful of ?

01-24-2009	#1118 (permalink)
Baldguy Made It To Second Gear BTK Beginner Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: El Dorado Hills, CA Posts: 86	I had the same bike....a 1996. 1. It's a vertical twin motor. The spark plugs are located right on top of each head, one on the right side of the bike, the other on the left. If you use a #14 or #12 (can't remember) deep socket with a u joint adapter, you can get the plugs out without moving the gas tank. You can't see the plugs without the tank off. Follow the plug wire and it will lead you to the plug. 2. My bike started right up almost every time without the choke. It certainly did not like to start with the choke all the way out. Try cranking it without the choke on at all. I know it's cold out, but these motors tend to like that IMHO. 3. The sight glass for the oil on on the right side of the bike, down at the bottom of the motor just to the rear of the right foot peg. When YOU are on the ground, gently pull the bike toward you so that the bike is fairly level and see that the oil is half way or in the middle of the glass. 4. In order to spray starter fluid into this bike, you either have to take off the carb boots or you have to get the air filter out which involves taking off the left side cover, removing or moving the various relays and other electrical connections. Then the air filter slides out of the filter holder and the airbox. You can then shoot some spray in there. I'd recommend a shop manual for you and the bike....has pics and all. Hope this helps.

01-24-2009	#1120 (permalink)
drumrnj Finally Got Into First Gear BTK Beginner Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 55	Thank You so much Can anyone help me with a step by step on checking the plugs on this bike. I really need to do this, but I dont want to make any mistakes. I am assuming I have to remove the gas tank to get at these parts. What is the best way to do this if I have to? Are there hoses on the bottom of the tank to be careful or or remove. Please let me know. Thanks I know WE WILL GET THIS STARTED and You have no idea how much I appreciate all the help I am getting. I owe you ! George

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