1700 Prices Are Out!

[Fr8Dog]

Unless I missed someone else posting them, here are the prices of the new 1700's per the Kawi website:

1700 Voyager- $16799- $17899
1700 Nomad- $14399
1700 Classic- $12299
1700 Classic LT- $13799

The Voyager which I'm interested in down the road is about what I thought it would be and $5000 less than the HD Ultra I demo'd recently. I'm assuming the two prices are with and without ABS.

Again I hope I'm not posting these prices AGAIN if someone else has already done so and if I am I apologize. I did a search and couldn't find any posts on the prices. If not, then read and weep or read and enjoy!

[sharky1381]

Sound reasonable to me. I guess I had better pay off my 900 and start saving my dimes.

[Aifwikir]

Why is it that the new motorcycles are costing as much as a small car or truck??


Aif

[mrmegadeth]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

1700 Classic/Nomad $$ < Victory King Pin $$

Now I'm torn

[NCDave]

Originally Posted by Aifwikir

Why is it that the new motorcycles are costing as much as a small car or truck??


Aif

especially given that the technology that goes into them isn't THAT new. Sad to see inflation taking it's toll.....

[mrfix]

Originally Posted by Fr8Dog

Unless I missed someone else posting them, here are the prices of the new 1700's per the Kawi website:

1700 Voyager- $16799- $17899
1700 Nomad- $14399
1700 Classic- $12299
1700 Classic LT- $13799

The Voyager which I'm interested in down the road is about what I thought it would be and $5000 less than the HD Ultra I demo'd recently. I'm assuming the two prices are with and without ABS.

Again I hope I'm not posting these prices AGAIN if someone else has already done so and if I am I apologize. I did a search and couldn't find any posts on the prices. If not, then read and weep or read and enjoy!

Mrfix here
What are they thinking $3000.00 for hard bags and a fairing. The vulcan 2000 LT is a far better choice for $14,999 and you can take the windshield off for the summer and the bike will look better for it, not worst. I'm not a fan of the overhead cam motor and would not ever purchase one, that's why I bought the 2008 vulcan 2000 LT in the first place. I am one that came over from the Harley crowd with absolutely no regrets. If Harley Davidson built the 2000 vulcan, they wouldn't be having the financial problems they are having as we speak. The vulcan 2000 is the motorcycle the Americans should have built, but didn't. Real motorcycles have 2 wheels, no radio, a low center of gravity, enough torque to please your manhood, exhaust sound that moves your soul and can survive low maintenance times when touring. Radios, cruise controls, air bags and CB's belong in sports cars. Let's keep a motorcycle a motorcycle. What are they thinking, this is the American motorcyclist they are targeting, We ride to enjoy all the elements the cagers can't enjoy, before you know it Kawi will offer a water proof enclosure as an option, like Honda. My next bike just could be another Harley if the Vulcan 2000 is not available when I'm ready for a new ride. There is just nothing like a pushrod V-Twin engine moving you down the road.
Mrfix

[artz]

Man, i keep wandaring into the harley shop looking at the road kings and street glides, and it just keeps pushing me toward the voyager with those prices.

[vader]

Man....that's almost a $2000 jump on the 1700 Classic from the 1600 Classic. Does anybody think it will be that much better for that much more money? I bought my Kawasaki because it had great performance at an inexpensive price point compared to other brands. I was waiting for the 1700 bikes, but now I'm thinking about picking up a 1500 or 1600 for quite a bit less.

[NCDave]

Originally Posted by mrfix

Mrfix here
What are they thinking $3000.00 for hard bags and a fairing. The vulcan 2000 LT is a far better choice for $14,999 and you can take the windshield off for the summer and the bike will look better for it, not worst. I'm not a fan of the overhead cam motor and would not ever purchase one, that's why I bought the 2008 vulcan 2000 LT in the first place. I am one that came over from the Harley crowd with absolutely no regrets. If Harley Davidson built the 2000 vulcan, they wouldn't be having the financial problems they are having as we speak. The vulcan 2000 is the motorcycle the Americans should have built, but didn't. Real motorcycles have 2 wheels, no radio, a low center of gravity, enough torque to please your manhood, exhaust sound that moves your soul and can survive low maintenance times when touring. Radios, cruise controls, air bags and CB's belong in sports cars. Let's keep a motorcycle a motorcycle. What are they thinking, this is the American motorcyclist they are targeting, We ride to enjoy all the elements the cagers can't enjoy, before you know it Kawi will offer a water proof enclosure as an option, like Honda. My next bike just could be another Harley if the Vulcan 2000 is not available when I'm ready for a new ride. There is just nothing like a pushrod V-Twin engine moving you down the road.
Mrfix

Fix,
unfortunately we are in the minority. Just like cars, motorcycles are beginning to have all the bells and whistles standard, which is driving prices up and up. When was the last time you found a car that didn't have electric windows and door locks standard? Or at least an option that they went ahead and installed anyway? Like you, I'd SO prefer to be able to buy an AFFORDABLE motorcycle that is just that...two wheels, a good motor, and the open road. it doesn't need to be race technology, just dependable and safe.

[peregrine]

Originally Posted by mrfix

Mrfix here
What are they thinking $3000.00 for hard bags and a fairing. The vulcan 2000 LT is a far better choice for $14,999 and you can take the windshield off for the summer and the bike will look better for it, not worst. I'm not a fan of the overhead cam motor and would not ever purchase one, that's why I bought the 2008 vulcan 2000 LT in the first place. I am one that came over from the Harley crowd with absolutely no regrets. If Harley Davidson built the 2000 vulcan, they wouldn't be having the financial problems they are having as we speak. The vulcan 2000 is the motorcycle the Americans should have built, but didn't. Real motorcycles have 2 wheels, no radio, a low center of gravity, enough torque to please your manhood, exhaust sound that moves your soul and can survive low maintenance times when touring. Radios, cruise controls, air bags and CB's belong in sports cars. Let's keep a motorcycle a motorcycle. What are they thinking, this is the American motorcyclist they are targeting, We ride to enjoy all the elements the cagers can't enjoy, before you know it Kawi will offer a water proof enclosure as an option, like Honda. My next bike just could be another Harley if the Vulcan 2000 is not available when I'm ready for a new ride. There is just nothing like a pushrod V-Twin engine moving you down the road.
Mrfix

What he said!!!

[CycleDude]

I love the 1700 being belt driven, but I may get a used 1600 Nomad once the economy picks back up. As for now, my 900 aint going anywhere.

[artz]

If I were gonna buy NOW....its hard to pass up a new 2008 1500 classic for $8500 (more or less). But if none were available, a slightly used V2K gets my vote.

[FL Vulcan Rider]

Originally Posted by artz

Man, i keep wandaring into the harley shop looking at the road kings and street glides, and it just keeps pushing me toward the voyager with those prices.

I was in a conversation with a HD guy. He was saying that HD is so much better and blah blah blah. He did make a few good points though.

The reason why you might be paying more for an HD is so that the American can hand build it and you are paying for the union workers to have jobs. This is a good cause because you are helping out the people around you that live in your country.


That would be good and all. I would LOVE to support HD and the American people and their jobs. I wouldn't mind throwing down a couple extra grand to make sure that the American dream is held up alive.



The fact is that the machines that they are producing are not even close to how good the engineering of the Japanese bikes. This is what I told him and he even admitted it. Japanese bikes are engineered so much better and more efficiently made. There power is more efficient. You can take the same size motor, but the Japanese bike will always over perform the HD.

There are pros and cons of buying an HD and buying a Japanese bike. The issue is, I don't want to have a machine that will rattle, break, be slow, and look like everyone else's.

I couldn't understand why the 883 "sportster" was called a sportster if it is by leaps and bounds slower than a Honda Shadow 750. LoL.

I'm not bashing, but just stating my personal experiences and facts.

I would LOVE to buy a Rocker C or even get a Electra Glide with a solo seat. The thing is, they need to step it up. I'll instead look at the Yamaha Raiders and the V2K and the 1700 Voyager.

It's just like how the GM thing is coming along. The did it to themselves. They are making trucks and everything and they aren't even competition to the Hondas and Toyotas. GM makes crappy cars and they break down all the time.

I think it's just that the US needs to get it together and make decent stuff that works. We are sooooo out of date with our engineering and reliability, it's sad.

With that being said, I'm going to continue buying Toyota and Kawasaki products until the American industry actually creates a competitive vehicle.

I used to have a 1997 Buick Skylark, but everything went bad in it. All of the window motors burnt out in my Dad's GMC Jimmy, my Buick Skylark, and my neighbors Corvette. They all had the same problem and wanted $350/motor to fix. That's $1000. Things in my motor started going bad and my alternator went out 3 times in one year.

My dad had a 1988 Toyota Corolla and it was flawless for 175,000 miles and 14 years. I have a 2005 Toyota Corolla with 85,000 miles and NOTHING has broke.

I think its just that the American Standard is so low right now it is sickening.



/Sorry for my rant... just had to let it out about my experiences./ I wish I could buy American. I really do. It just doesn't make sense now/

[jap4lvr]

lol. dont get me started on american workers and unions. there is a good reason all i will consider buying is japanese.
my toyota 4runner right now has 306xxx miles on it and it still purrs like a kitten. all of my friends and family are complaining about fixing transmissions and all kinds of misc. on their domestic made crap and the worst thing i have is a u joint going out. there has never been anything more major done on my 4runner than changing a clutch and stuff like brakes belts and wheel bearings. i think she has another 1 or 2 hundred thousand left to go.
why buy a domestic when someone is lucky if it sees 200xxx

and about being a real motorcycle. go buy a harley. i think the fact that these jap bikes went to vtwins is a step down. nothing runs as smooth and as nice as an old 4 cylinder bike. i am not some new generation that wants all the bells and whistles either. i want to go back to the times when someone bought a kz400 and that was enough of a bike to go coast to coast with. and when something went wrong with their bike they fixed it. they didnt ask how much the dealer would charge to fix it. that is a really motorcycle and rider there if you ask me. not someone that likes to cruise around town and look and sound cool. i think it is about getting out there and riding and not getting other people to see how cool you are.

there that is my rant and sorry for hijacking the thread

[NCDave]

Well, at the same time, Kawasaki has completely missed the price point for me. I won't be buying a 1700.

[07redkawi900]

same here... i wont be buying anytime soon. btw, i think american car companies are made to break more than imports because they like to sell or move thier parts in thier auto supply department. IMHO

[CycleDude]

Originally Posted by FL Vulcan Rider

The reason why you might be paying more for an HD is so that the American can hand build it and you are paying for the union workers to have jobs. This is a good cause because you are helping out the people around you that live in your country.

Originally Posted by jap4lvr

lol. dont get me started on american workers and unions. there is a good reason all i will consider buying is japanese.

Um, who's building and assembling the jap products? The American workers at the factories and dealerships nationwide.

I'm just sayin....

[internet_bully]

Originally Posted by Aifwikir

Why is it that the new motorcycles are costing as much as a small car or truck??


Aif

Where are you buying you're cars and trucks?? I haven't anything off the showroom for under 20K for a long time. Those prices are about what I was expecting. I'll wait to demo them before I decide.

I too used to be part of crowd of 'why do I want all this extra crap on a bike?'. Then I demo'd a geezer glide and I understand why cruise, a radio and full faring is so nice. This is why I am getting an MP3 player for x-mas. I personally wouldn't mind seeing every bike with ABS, or at least a system like the Vision has where when you grab one brake it activates one piston on the other caliper. Guess we'll have to wait another few years before that makes it way to the 'cheaper' MC market.

[jap4lvr]

Originally Posted by CycleDude

Um, who's building and assembling the jap products? The American workers at the factories and dealerships nationwide.

I'm just sayin....

i should have just said unions. i meant the american workers in the unions. you will not find any jap vehicles built by a union.

[FL Vulcan Rider]

Originally Posted by CycleDude

Um, who's building and assembling the jap products? The American workers at the factories and dealerships nationwide.

I'm just sayin....

Japan is making, manufacturing, and fabricating the parts. We as the customer pay $400-600 for the dealer prep fee and crap.