end this madness 636 vs all

[ddubbzunltd]

i am putting this post up because i have been reading alot about the 636 vs cbr 600 rr vs gsxr vs r6 vs and finally the bike i hate the most ducati now all the talk about the 636 being the best and the worst or who is the fastest but i happen to have the honor of riding with all these wonderfull 600's for the bigger cc ducati but in the same class for the most part they are all close but im tired of the trash being talked around and there still is going to be trash talked but know that i know and i am trying to let all us 636 guys know we are the masters of the 600's we are at the top of the bike chain we have the best performance bike for 05-06 ok now the 636 vs cbr 600rr me and this little beast raced for 2 miles 636 every gear smoked it now at a 80 mile an hour roll on the cbr has a little more kick and that is at 6th for both bikes until the 636 hits about 12 grand it starts coming up on the cbr pretty quickly and smoked again 636 toped out at 165-168 cbr 156-158, now on to my favorite the one who gave me the most trouble the r6 now the low and mid on these monsters are incredible the r6 will beat a 636 in 1st and second gear but when i hit 3rd i was going bye him and the rest is history top speed gone the r6 tops out at 159-160, now on to the well known turn your head everybody has one gsxr im not going to get into it on this because 636 won every gear but the good old gsxr did keep up pretty decent,now the ducati f***in destroyed see ya good bye dont even waste your time on these i cant believe how slow they are but anyways those of you who were wondering who is the fastest out there i acually know for sure and those of you who read my profile this was when the bike was stock now it would be no contest but stock for stock the 636 all the way the performance mods did make the bike insane those who wonder i now hit 177-178 with a kandn filter a full leo vince exhaust and a power commander at about 150 horse

[ptzpntbll]

you gotta remember now that the 636 is a 636cc bike, not a 599 like all the other 600 class bikes, which is why they went back to the 6r for 07, dont get me wrong i like the zx6r over any other 600 class bike, which ducati are you talkin about now? i know there is the triumph daytona thats a 675, im curious as to what ducati ur speakin of

[alec]

Boom search and you'll find the best bike for the track and street. To be honest I would have really liked to buy the daytona over the 636 if my dealer had it in stock. It would have cost an extra $2000 more then my bike though... I've also driven every bike except the ducati and daytona and as far as straight line races my 636 beats everything. I'm not being biased just because I own a 636 becuase for cornering R6 easily is the best one.
http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/Articl...ArticleID=3382
http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/Articl...ArticleID=3301

BTW these times prove you're wrong about the R6 vs 636 1st and 2nd gear acceleration

[ptzpntbll]

nice research

[Admiral Thrawn]

Originally Posted by ddubbzunltd

i am putting this post up because i have been reading alot about the 636 vs cbr 600 rr vs gsxr vs r6 vs and finally the bike i hate the most ducati now all the talk about the 636 being the best and the worst or who is the fastest but i happen to have the honor of riding with all these wonderfull 600's for the bigger cc ducati but in the same class for the most part they are all close but im tired of the trash being talked around and there still is going to be trash talked but know that i know and i am trying to let all us 636 guys know we are the masters of the 600's we are at the top of the bike chain we have the best performance bike for 05-06 ok now the 636 vs cbr 600rr me and this little beast raced for 2 miles 636 every gear smoked it now at a 80 mile an hour roll on the cbr has a little more kick and that is at 6th for both bikes until the 636 hits about 12 grand it starts coming up on the cbr pretty quickly and smoked again 636 toped out at 165-168 cbr 156-158, now on to my favorite the one who gave me the most trouble the r6 now the low and mid on these monsters are incredible the r6 will beat a 636 in 1st and second gear but when i hit 3rd i was going bye him and the rest is history top speed gone the r6 tops out at 159-160, now on to the well known turn your head everybody has one gsxr im not going to get into it on this because 636 won every gear but the good old gsxr did keep up pretty decent,now the ducati f***in destroyed see ya good bye dont even waste your time on these i cant believe how slow they are but anyways those of you who were wondering who is the fastest out there i acually know for sure and those of you who read my profile this was when the bike was stock now it would be no contest but stock for stock the 636 all the way the performance mods did make the bike insane those who wonder i now hit 177-178 with a kandn filter a full leo vince exhaust and a power commander at about 150 horse

That's a long sentence...

[JTpaintball70]

Originally Posted by Admiral Thrawn

That's a long sentence...

I'm glad to know I wasn't the only one to notice that

[Supernut]

I think it is hard to compare the Triumph daytona 675 and especially the Ducati because they are very different bikes from Japanese 4 bangers.

Generally speaking: why does one bike have to be the "best." We all ride because it is something that we enjoy, unless you are a professional racer I don't see where a .09 second difference in 0-60 acceleration really means anything.

[2006ninja500r]

Originally Posted by Supernut

I think it is hard to compare the Triumph daytona 675 and especially the Ducati because they are very different bikes from Japanese 4 bangers.

Generally speaking: why does one bike have to be the "best." We all ride because it is something that we enjoy, unless you are a professional racer I don't see where a .09 second difference in 0-60 acceleration really means anything.

It doesn’t really mean anything or matter on the street, it is just the satisfaction of knowing that you have the ability to beat about any other 600cc class bike if the need ever arose.

[Silvercon]

Originally Posted by Supernut

I think it is hard to compare the Triumph daytona 675 and especially the Ducati because they are very different bikes from Japanese 4 bangers.

Generally speaking: why does one bike have to be the "best." We all ride because it is something that we enjoy, unless you are a professional racer I don't see where a .09 second difference in 0-60 acceleration really means anything.

Good point. You buy somthing .09 faster than your buddy and
2 months later he has a new GSXR-750. As the ancient ELR 1000
rider once said but not in the same words. Your better off saving
some money on the bike and going to a track and learning how to
ride better. Course if I wanted to ride that fast so would I. But I
have no points and plan on keeping it that way...

[jaseman]

I'm not sure what he actually said But I think I can smoke him at the grammer rodeo!

Doesn't matter who's bike is .09 tenths faster or 1hp more powerfull. At the end of the day it's rider that makes all the differance.

[Plucky_Duck]

Unless your bike is only running on the race track, I'm not sure what the advantage is of being able to smoke someone on a slightly slower bike if the "Need" ever arrises. I personally like to get people all worked up right before the local speed traps, and then slow down. only to pass them when they get pulled over.

[ddubbzunltd]

alright see that graph up there horrible who cars about a graph get out there and ride yourself you cant believe everything you see online see for yourself its the best way even though it was a nice touch ok first of all that ducati 749 is not even close to being accurate

[Silvercon]

Originally Posted by 2006ninja500r

It doesn’t really mean anything or matter on the street, it is just the satisfaction of knowing that you have the ability to beat about any other 600cc class bike if the need ever arose.

The stock 600s keep getting faster, but who keeps their bikes
stock? Its the guy on last years bike that smokes you that
gets the satisfaction because all his modifications worked,
and his practice time at the track paid off.

[FTM650]

nothing to post about the bikes, but I wanted to remind OP there are things such as PARAGRAPHS and PERIODS.

[ptzpntbll]

Originally Posted by ddubbzunltd

alright see that graph up there horrible who cars about a graph get out there and ride yourself you cant believe everything you see online see for yourself its the best way even though it was a nice touch ok first of all that ducati 749 is not even close to being accurate

okay now your contradicting yourself...now your making it sound like its the rider that matters...which it is by the way, the bike only performs as well as the rider thats on it

"alright see that graph up there horrible who cars about a graph get out there and ride yourself "

[alec]

Ok....who to listen to....5 PROFESSIONAL riders who have raced in AMA and did the test for MCUSA or some kid, who we know nothing about, and says "no no no theyre wrong!"....(haha notice I didn't use the , and ' for him)

That's like going up to the 5 smartest people in your class and asking for there help to do a math question, compared to walking up to the dumbest kid, who doesn't know how to do his homework, and asking if you can get some help.

I think I've done a good comparable example with proper grammar.

[elr658]

+1 Alec, dub, your lack of language skills TORPEDO any "truth" to any point you're attempting to make.

Mark, the ancient ELR1000 rider, who takes perverse pleasure in smoking squids on new bikes on his twenty eight year old CB750 (1123 transplant).

[stefano]

Yo man I sense a lot of pent-up anger in your words! You had a bad day or something?

It's apparent that to you, being 0.5 seconds quicker in the 0-60 or "blowing by somebody else" on a comparable bike is very important. To each his own.

To most of us, riding is about technique, it's about feeling as one with the bike, it's about carving corners and the sense of freedom that only riding can give you.

I don't really give a s.hit if I can blow by somebody on an R6, and frankly, I don't even care if I get blown away by somebody else. What's important to me is riding within my limits - and riding close to them is what gives me a rush.

Besides, as others have stated, there's no advantage in getting to a corner 50 feet before the next man to get eaten up on the exit coz the other guy knows how to carve corners and you don't. The rider makes the difference, not the bike. I know plenty of guys with litre-bikes who admit that except for the long straights, they get eaten up by guys with 600s. So power isn't everything.

I personally am well aware that I am at the beginning of my learning curve - I only got my 636 last September and don't even have 2000 miles under my belt. So why would I try to out-drag someone on a Gixxer to then be made a fool of at the next turn?

I suspect that you're quite young... probably 18 or 19. I totally understand where you're coming from, I've been there. But I'm also confident that in a few years, you won't really care about that half second either.

Peace...

[elr658]

Good post Stefano. Do it as long as I have, and you won't care about those TEN seconds. I'd rather go fast on a slow bike any day. Most 600 riders (and I'm talking about MODERN 600s) can't ride a CB350 to its limit. A very long time ago, I was working in a bike shop in Myrtle Beach. We emptied out the service departments and went on a road trip. (we were all friends) We had all four shops represented and we rode the Dragon. Where I got my arse HANDED to me by a better rider on a CB450T Hawk. It isn't the bike. It is 100% rider. The mark of a GOOD rider is realizing that they must work on their craft and they are constantly learning.

[ervins]

I think everyone missed the point...He was proud to be a 636 owner. I am proud as well and can compare 600s since I have have ridden all 4 bikes from my 636's year 2003.

Each bike in that year had its strengths with the 636 coming up big on track and the CBR getting street honors. Is there a difference when riding? BIG TIME...

Examples:
636 - Needs damper and rides a bit wild if not handled well in and out of turns.
600rr - No damper needed and is very controlled and stable in and out of turns.

636 - Throttle response is excellent which helps in turns again
600rr - Response is sketchy if you let off if you are not fluid with it. May cause skip.

636 - Power is incredible through the gears...Very linear in regards to power and pulls throughout. 1 and 2nd are awesome.
600rr - Power is in higher rev bands starting on 3 and 4th gear. Higher up and it goes as fast as the 636. 1 and 2nd lacking to say the least.

636 - Raw
600rr - Tame

Lots to be compared...I have over 2k on this bike already and the 636 still is my benchmark for a 600.

Now I am waiting for the 2007 shootouts to see which bike wins...