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KawiFan10R · 08-11-2008

Hey, sorry it took this long to reply; my computer crashed. The ZX10R dyno graphs i posted above are from my '08 with Leo Vinci slip-on and after installing the Power Commander. So, it is very close to "stock". We put it on the treadmill thinking that we would need to map it but after looking at the charts, it became obvious that there was no need to go any further.

I think that the slip-on and the PC has improved the way it sounds but i do not believe that it has improved its performance that can be called material by any definition, unless two ponies mean that much to the fastidious?

zedx11 · 08-11-2008

in most sportbikes you don't get much of anything for your money. you can spend thousands and only get a couple percent increase.

KawiFan10R · 08-11-2008

Hi zedx11, i could not agree more on that for most supersport bikes. I put the PC on it because i had one single episode of engine dying at speed. Well, it turned out that the idle was set at low and i had pulled the clutch in and brought the engine to an idle at speed. I think i may have been adjusting my backpack or something.

I recently installed a Termignoni full system on my 1098S and although we did not dyno'ed it before and after, i can tell you that the performance has got to have increased up to 6-8 per cent because I can feel it. But it does not really matter since i am quite pleased with the roar itself.
Best,
Mike

zedx11 · 08-11-2008

to most, the sound gives it at least 10%.

hellsrazor · 08-12-2008

Pick up my 05 ZX10R Wed night. Flying to Sarasota Florida to buy it and drive it home, if this weather will let me.

Here are some pics.....

P.S. That's not a chicken strip on the back tire. Dude just had his driveway re-done and every time he drives it across the driveway, it leaves those marks on the tires. Front and back tires are almost new, only 500 mile on them.

hellsrazor · 08-12-2008

Getting back on a bike, since a real bad spill in Ft. Lauderdale on my ZX 11.

Hope I got better luck this time.

"What doesn't kill me only makes me stronger"

H20420 · 08-26-2008

The Zrx12 Is A Great Bike As Well. My Father In Law Has One, And It Rips. He Passes Guys In The Twisties With A Passenger.

esornivram · 08-26-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by KawiFan10R

Nope xedx11, i haven't read your older posts, just babbling here during a break before taking out the ZX that has not received much attention today. btw, have you tried Ducati 1098 yet and if so, what is your opinion?
Best,
Mike

i can only offer an observation,
last year when they were new to all, many here on the east side of the mississippi tend to ride the deals gap road south of knoxville tennessee.
I know bill and rob who work at the bike resort at the end of deals , and i saw one crashed 1098 that day, rider survived but he was badly injured,
rob told me that one made in 10 for 10, and with an question look at him he followed with
" there has been 10 of them here this year so far, all ten left here crashed to one level or another."
so either a large group of posers are buying the 1098, or it has handling issues, or both

OLDSLOWGUY · 09-01-2008

OK, I'll stir it up a bit. What about the ZRX1100?

Musgofasa · 09-11-2008

Actually now that I have had my bike a little longer and wrung it out a little more, I find that it is faster and faster. I went out last night with the R6 again and in the first two gears there is now no comparison. Maybe I am just comfortable with my bike now. At any rate we ran the same three gears and the poor guy almost broke his neck trying to catch up. He put the front wheel up and couldn't keep up at all. Amazing what a little more confidence will do.

I also ran against a Duc 1098 and it was quick in the turns but no comparison up to 120mph. In fact, I think the R6 was very close to the Duc lol

I am still wondering about dyno tests on some of the other bikes. I might start looking for them around other forums next, lol.

Take care,
Robert

hotrodhenson · 09-23-2008

Part 1, Just about everytime I hit the starter button there is a painful noise coming from the motor......I kinda gathered it is the starter but could it be the switch not engaging a full 12v to the starter? It doesnt happen everytime but most of the time. Part 2, is the starter on a 1986 1000r hard to replace? Where is the starter located?

thanks....

Hagar · 09-24-2008

Sounds like your starter clutch is on the way out, my friend. Check out the microfiche on b!kebandit .com for an idea as to where the starter is.
Quick question... what kind of pipes have you got on your zx1000? Im looking for a replacement and dont want to fit the 4-1.

hotrodhenson · 09-24-2008

thanks for the reply...I believe my bike has the stock pipe with supertrap mufflers.

brian

oahutodd · 10-09-2008

I have just purchased a 2007 Kawasaki ZX10R and have a few quick questions. Ive had my motorcycle endorcement 20+ years and have been riding motorcycles since I was 6 (racing dirtbikes) I have a solid 30 years in the saddle both on street/dirt motorcycles.

I noticed there is a lot of heat that comes from having the under seat exhaust, more so than traditional side exhaust, yes? My butt gets warm, but my legs are on fire. The bike is not overheating. Temps never go over around 210F and thats sitting in traffic after a swift ride over the mountain on highway. Temps are under 175F on highway. Is there a after market exhaust that deals with this issue, or one that runs noticeable cooler? I know I could use coolant treatment and drop a few degrees but that wont even begin to address the issue. All stock heat sheild are in place. I am in Hawaii so..

When I am in traffic and the bike is running super hot - I turn off the bike at extremely long red lights, and re-start bike when I am about to get a green signal. It helps keeps the bikes temperature down, but I wonder if I am going to wear out the starter or create some other issue (besides possible safety issue). Should I continue this, if not, why?

My bike has no coolant leaks. The coolant level has stayed consistent over hundreds of miles, and since brand new. I have inspected the engine carefully and it is spotless. When the bike is hot I occasionally smell coolant. I am unsure if it is my bike or other cars around me. If it is my bike, is this common on other 07 ZX10R's? It is not a overpowering smell, and I do have a sensitive sniffer, but just curious if anyone else has noticed this. Bike doesnt even have 1000 miles BTW (almost 900 miles), and had the full 600 mile service done at the Kawasaki dealership.

Aside from that I love the bike. I just turned over 900 miles and have kept it below the 6K RPM break in, but very impressed with the bike. It is my first Kawasaki (dirt or street) after owning all the others (suzuki gsxr, honda cbr, yamaha r1). The quality is superb.

Thank you in advance for any and all replies. Any info you can impart would be greatly appreciated where it relates to the 2007 ZX10R for a new owner, any quirks, or mechanic tricks to make a maintenance issue easier, etc...

zedx11 · 10-09-2008

guess I don't notice the heat that much. try some engine ice for the coolant.

oahutodd · 10-09-2008

zedx11 - Thank You for the quick reply - I wish it was that simple, I really do.

Even if "engine ice" or another "coolant treatment" dropped my coolant temperature a FULL 5 degrees (neither product will - they drop 2 degrees max stopped in traffic, maybe 3 degrees moving on highway, pretty minimal improvement for flushing cooling system) It wouldnt even begin to touch the issue my exhaust is creating. Actually - I am convinced it has everything to do with the underseat exhaust design - and nothing to do with a hot running bike/engine.

I have lived in Pheonix Arizona - where I also owned and rode sport bikes for many tens of thousands of miles, and where it was common to be 120F degrees (no humidity though), and never had this same issue? Not even remotely close. This was back in my 'ride it like you stole it' days when I made a habit of riding my equiptment extremely hard. Good maintenance practices, just rode very hard at redline many, many miles.

As great as the under seat exhaust "looks", it creates a absolute OVEN for the rider in the seat - but moreso on the lower legs/knees especially. Had I test driven this bike in mid-day heat and saw how hot it ran in heavy traffic, it might have SERIOUSLY affected if I bought it or not. Likely I would have looked at something else.

Guess thats the way the bike is and unless I do a 'GP style' exhaust (the magaphone styles look horrible to my eye) I know the new CBR1000RR does NOT have this issue, but it also doesnt have the cool looking underseat exhaust either.

I have had too many various sport bikes over 20 years street riding experience that havent had ANY heat issues, in much more demanding enviroments, where/when I was younger and rode MUCH harder (150mph blast down I-10 was very common - day & night).. My 1989 Honda CBR 600 Hurricane ran like a refrigerator in AZ comparatively to my now 18 year newer bike.

Every degree in coolant temperature I can drop will help no doubt, but I was really looking for a real world solution, getting at the cause of problem - not a symptom, or minor solution from other systems. But I appreciate the input just the same zex! Aside of GP style exhaust (may help only moderately) it looks like thats how the ZX10R performs in 80-90F heat temperatures W/ very high humidity here in Hawaii.

Maybe with engine break in miles past me, & a switch to full synthetic oil, friction will be less and the bike will run cooler. Friction during break in gives off all kinds of strange odors, and makes extra heat too, so it might make a small difference.

Saleenguy · 10-09-2008

I have not ridden the new 10.

But if you ever want to cook your right leg while riding in under 6 seconds, try a Buell Ulysses out.....That sucker literally directs the hot air intentionally by design onto the right thigh.

oahutodd · 10-09-2008

Great to know I'm not alone in this motorcycle cookout, lol! Im sure there are many air cooled bikes that make my water cooled modern look like a freezer temperature wise.

zedx11 · 10-09-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by oahutodd

zedx11 - Thank You for the quick reply - I wish it was that simple, I really do.

Even if "engine ice" or another "coolant treatment" dropped my coolant temperature a FULL 5 degrees (neither product will - they drop 2 degrees max stopped in traffic, maybe 3 degrees moving on highway, pretty minimal improvement for flushing cooling system) It wouldnt even begin to touch the issue my exhaust is creating. Actually - I am convinced it has everything to do with the underseat exhaust design - and nothing to do with a hot running bike/engine.

I have lived in Pheonix Arizona - where I also owned and rode sport bikes for many tens of thousands of miles, and where it was common to be 120F degrees (no humidity though), and never had this same issue? Not even remotely close. This was back in my 'ride it like you stole it' days when I made a habit of riding my equiptment extremely hard. Good maintenance practices, just rode very hard at redline many, many miles.

As great as the under seat exhaust "looks", it creates a absolute OVEN for the rider in the seat - but moreso on the lower legs/knees especially. Had I test driven this bike in mid-day heat and saw how hot it ran in heavy traffic, it might have SERIOUSLY affected if I bought it or not. Likely I would have looked at something else.

Guess thats the way the bike is and unless I do a 'GP style' exhaust (the magaphone styles look horrible to my eye) I know the new CBR1000RR does NOT have this issue, but it also doesnt have the cool looking underseat exhaust either.

I have had too many various sport bikes over 20 years street riding experience that havent had ANY heat issues, in much more demanding enviroments, where/when I was younger and rode MUCH harder (150mph blast down I-10 was very common - day & night).. My 1989 Honda CBR 600 Hurricane ran like a refrigerator in AZ comparatively to my now 18 year newer bike.

Every degree in coolant temperature I can drop will help no doubt, but I was really looking for a real world solution, getting at the cause of problem - not a symptom, or minor solution from other systems. But I appreciate the input just the same zex! Aside of GP style exhaust (may help only moderately) it looks like thats how the ZX10R performs in 80-90F heat temperatures W/ very high humidity here in Hawaii.

Maybe with engine break in miles past me, & a switch to full synthetic oil, friction will be less and the bike will run cooler. Friction during break in gives off all kinds of strange odors, and makes extra heat too, so it might make a small difference.

I do not have the problem you have and have not read about others complaining that the exhaust is too hot on this bike.

obviously you are not riding fast enough to have adequate air flow to dissipate the heat.

freightrain14 · 10-09-2008

carbon fiber... it deals with heat a lot better than other mufflers....

though i've ridden a bike like yours and don't remember it getting hot... sure i felt the warmth from it... no different than the old 996 Duc... or any other underseat exhaust equiped bike.. i don't commute that much either... and that seems to be where you encounter the most heat...

try a carbon slip-on...

08-11-2008	#241 (permalink)
KawiFan10R Turtle Wax Taster BTK Intermediate Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 152	Reply Hey, sorry it took this long to reply; my computer crashed. The ZX10R dyno graphs i posted above are from my '08 with Leo Vinci slip-on and after installing the Power Commander. So, it is very close to "stock". We put it on the treadmill thinking that we would need to map it but after looking at the charts, it became obvious that there was no need to go any further. I think that the slip-on and the PC has improved the way it sounds but i do not believe that it has improved its performance that can be called material by any definition, unless two ponies mean that much to the fastidious?

08-11-2008	#242 (permalink)
zedx11 yellow doesn't corner wel Extreme Forum Supporter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: KC, KS Posts: 22,249	in most sportbikes you don't get much of anything for your money. you can spend thousands and only get a couple percent increase. __________________ Darrell Ignorance is a disease my friend. You should rid yourself of it.

08-11-2008	#244 (permalink)
zedx11 yellow doesn't corner wel Extreme Forum Supporter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: KC, KS Posts: 22,249	to most, the sound gives it at least 10%. __________________ Darrell Ignorance is a disease my friend. You should rid yourself of it.

08-12-2008	#245 (permalink)
hellsrazor Newbie Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Gulf Coast of Mississippi Posts: 14	Pick up my 05 ZX10R Wed night. Flying to Sarasota Florida to buy it and drive it home, if this weather will let me. Here are some pics..... P.S. That's not a chicken strip on the back tire. Dude just had his driveway re-done and every time he drives it across the driveway, it leaves those marks on the tires. Front and back tires are almost new, only 500 mile on them. Attached Thumbnails

09-11-2008	#250 (permalink)
Musgofasa '08 ZX10R BTK Expert Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spartanburg SC Posts: 450	Actually now that I have had my bike a little longer and wrung it out a little more, I find that it is faster and faster. I went out last night with the R6 again and in the first two gears there is now no comparison. Maybe I am just comfortable with my bike now. At any rate we ran the same three gears and the poor guy almost broke his neck trying to catch up. He put the front wheel up and couldn't keep up at all. Amazing what a little more confidence will do. I also ran against a Duc 1098 and it was quick in the turns but no comparison up to 120mph. In fact, I think the R6 was very close to the Duc lol I am still wondering about dyno tests on some of the other bikes. I might start looking for them around other forums next, lol. Take care, Robert __________________ Do not operate in closed in spaces or on small islands

08-11-2008	#243 (permalink)
KawiFan10R Turtle Wax Taster BTK Intermediate Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 152	Hi zedx11, i could not agree more on that for most supersport bikes. I put the PC on it because i had one single episode of engine dying at speed. Well, it turned out that the idle was set at low and i had pulled the clutch in and brought the engine to an idle at speed. I think i may have been adjusting my backpack or something. I recently installed a Termignoni full system on my 1098S and although we did not dyno'ed it before and after, i can tell you that the performance has got to have increased up to 6-8 per cent because I can feel it. But it does not really matter since i am quite pleased with the roar itself. Best, Mike

08-12-2008	#246 (permalink)
hellsrazor Newbie Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Gulf Coast of Mississippi Posts: 14	Getting back on a bike, since a real bad spill in Ft. Lauderdale on my ZX 11. Hope I got better luck this time. "What doesn't kill me only makes me stronger"

08-26-2008	#247 (permalink)
H20420 Newbie Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: UPLAND, CA Posts: 15	The Zrx12 Is A Great Bike As Well. My Father In Law Has One, And It Rips. He Passes Guys In The Twisties With A Passenger.

09-01-2008	#249 (permalink)
OLDSLOWGUY Newbie Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Milwaukee Wisconsin Posts: 11	OK, I'll stir it up a bit. What about the ZRX1100?

09-23-2008	#251 (permalink)
hotrodhenson Newbie Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 18	god awful grinding....... Part 1, Just about everytime I hit the starter button there is a painful noise coming from the motor......I kinda gathered it is the starter but could it be the switch not engaging a full 12v to the starter? It doesnt happen everytime but most of the time. Part 2, is the starter on a 1986 1000r hard to replace? Where is the starter located? thanks....

09-24-2008	#252 (permalink)
Hagar Newbie Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 21	Sounds like your starter clutch is on the way out, my friend. Check out the microfiche on b!kebandit .com for an idea as to where the starter is. Quick question... what kind of pipes have you got on your zx1000? Im looking for a replacement and dont want to fit the 4-1.

09-24-2008	#253 (permalink)
hotrodhenson Newbie Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 18	thanks for the reply...I believe my bike has the stock pipe with supertrap mufflers. brian

10-09-2008	#254 (permalink)
oahutodd Newbie Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Oahu, Hawaii - Denver, Colorado - Seattle, Washington Posts: 5	I have just purchased a 2007 Kawasaki ZX10R and have a few quick questions. Ive had my motorcycle endorcement 20+ years and have been riding motorcycles since I was 6 (racing dirtbikes) I have a solid 30 years in the saddle both on street/dirt motorcycles. I noticed there is a lot of heat that comes from having the under seat exhaust, more so than traditional side exhaust, yes? My butt gets warm, but my legs are on fire. The bike is not overheating. Temps never go over around 210F and thats sitting in traffic after a swift ride over the mountain on highway. Temps are under 175F on highway. Is there a after market exhaust that deals with this issue, or one that runs noticeable cooler? I know I could use coolant treatment and drop a few degrees but that wont even begin to address the issue. All stock heat sheild are in place. I am in Hawaii so.. When I am in traffic and the bike is running super hot - I turn off the bike at extremely long red lights, and re-start bike when I am about to get a green signal. It helps keeps the bikes temperature down, but I wonder if I am going to wear out the starter or create some other issue (besides possible safety issue). Should I continue this, if not, why? My bike has no coolant leaks. The coolant level has stayed consistent over hundreds of miles, and since brand new. I have inspected the engine carefully and it is spotless. When the bike is hot I occasionally smell coolant. I am unsure if it is my bike or other cars around me. If it is my bike, is this common on other 07 ZX10R's? It is not a overpowering smell, and I do have a sensitive sniffer, but just curious if anyone else has noticed this. Bike doesnt even have 1000 miles BTW (almost 900 miles), and had the full 600 mile service done at the Kawasaki dealership. Aside from that I love the bike. I just turned over 900 miles and have kept it below the 6K RPM break in, but very impressed with the bike. It is my first Kawasaki (dirt or street) after owning all the others (suzuki gsxr, honda cbr, yamaha r1). The quality is superb. Thank you in advance for any and all replies. Any info you can impart would be greatly appreciated where it relates to the 2007 ZX10R for a new owner, any quirks, or mechanic tricks to make a maintenance issue easier, etc... Last edited by oahutodd : 10-09-2008 at 11:06 AM.

10-09-2008	#255 (permalink)
zedx11 yellow doesn't corner wel Extreme Forum Supporter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: KC, KS Posts: 22,249	guess I don't notice the heat that much. try some engine ice for the coolant. __________________ Darrell Ignorance is a disease my friend. You should rid yourself of it.

10-09-2008	#256 (permalink)
oahutodd Newbie Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Oahu, Hawaii - Denver, Colorado - Seattle, Washington Posts: 5	zedx11 - Thank You for the quick reply - I wish it was that simple, I really do. Even if "engine ice" or another "coolant treatment" dropped my coolant temperature a FULL 5 degrees (neither product will - they drop 2 degrees max stopped in traffic, maybe 3 degrees moving on highway, pretty minimal improvement for flushing cooling system) It wouldnt even begin to touch the issue my exhaust is creating. Actually - I am convinced it has everything to do with the underseat exhaust design - and nothing to do with a hot running bike/engine. I have lived in Pheonix Arizona - where I also owned and rode sport bikes for many tens of thousands of miles, and where it was common to be 120F degrees (no humidity though), and never had this same issue? Not even remotely close. This was back in my 'ride it like you stole it' days when I made a habit of riding my equiptment extremely hard. Good maintenance practices, just rode very hard at redline many, many miles. As great as the under seat exhaust "looks", it creates a absolute OVEN for the rider in the seat - but moreso on the lower legs/knees especially. Had I test driven this bike in mid-day heat and saw how hot it ran in heavy traffic, it might have SERIOUSLY affected if I bought it or not. Likely I would have looked at something else. Guess thats the way the bike is and unless I do a 'GP style' exhaust (the magaphone styles look horrible to my eye) I know the new CBR1000RR does NOT have this issue, but it also doesnt have the cool looking underseat exhaust either. I have had too many various sport bikes over 20 years street riding experience that havent had ANY heat issues, in much more demanding enviroments, where/when I was younger and rode MUCH harder (150mph blast down I-10 was very common - day & night).. My 1989 Honda CBR 600 Hurricane ran like a refrigerator in AZ comparatively to my now 18 year newer bike. Every degree in coolant temperature I can drop will help no doubt, but I was really looking for a real world solution, getting at the cause of problem - not a symptom, or minor solution from other systems. But I appreciate the input just the same zex! Aside of GP style exhaust (may help only moderately) it looks like thats how the ZX10R performs in 80-90F heat temperatures W/ very high humidity here in Hawaii. Maybe with engine break in miles past me, & a switch to full synthetic oil, friction will be less and the bike will run cooler. Friction during break in gives off all kinds of strange odors, and makes extra heat too, so it might make a small difference.

10-09-2008	#257 (permalink)
Saleenguy Dazed and Confused Extreme Forum Supporter Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: British Columbia Canada Posts: 3,375	I have not ridden the new 10. But if you ever want to cook your right leg while riding in under 6 seconds, try a Buell Ulysses out.....That sucker literally directs the hot air intentionally by design onto the right thigh. __________________ Riding is good for ones soul. Riding amongst friends is even better.

10-09-2008	#258 (permalink)
oahutodd Newbie Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Oahu, Hawaii - Denver, Colorado - Seattle, Washington Posts: 5	Great to know I'm not alone in this motorcycle cookout, lol! Im sure there are many air cooled bikes that make my water cooled modern look like a freezer temperature wise.

10-09-2008	#260 (permalink)
freightrain14 Made It To Second Gear BTK Beginner Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: los angeles Posts: 84	carbon fiber... it deals with heat a lot better than other mufflers.... though i've ridden a bike like yours and don't remember it getting hot... sure i felt the warmth from it... no different than the old 996 Duc... or any other underseat exhaust equiped bike.. i don't commute that much either... and that seems to be where you encounter the most heat... try a carbon slip-on...

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