Integrated Mirrors, are they legal to replace turn signals?

TheBestUkester · 02-04-2008

So is it legal to just use integrated mirrors and no turn signals for the front? I know bikes (like the ducati 84

only have the mirror signals, making me wonder. Is there anywhere I can check?

It would be sweet to bondo in that hole where the turn signals go in and re-paint the bike

zedx11 · 02-04-2008

far as I know, as long as you have them they don't need to be in the stock location but, you live in a different state so maybe someone from there will chime in.

alstensby · 02-04-2008

You'll have to check with your local state. A good source might be your instructor from the local MSF if you took it. If I recall right, MN doesn't even require turn signals so just having them is a bonus. Just make sure they're visible and don't distract you.

TheBestUkester · 02-04-2008

As far as I can tell California only "requires turn signals" so I guess that these would fly?

I am taking the MSF course in two weeks

RichLockyer · 02-04-2008

In general, aftermarket parts are not DOT approved or legal as actual replacements. This goes for many LED bulb replacements as well.

Does that mean you'll get a ticket? Probably not.
Does it mean that you'll have a problem if your state requires inspections? It depends on the inspector.

fretbuzz · 02-04-2008

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Originally Posted by RichLockyer

In general, aftermarket parts are not DOT approved or legal as actual replacements. This goes for many LED bulb replacements as well.

Does that mean you'll get a ticket? Probably not.
Does it mean that you'll have a problem if your state requires inspections? It depends on the inspector.

If I have doubts I just go to run-down Joe's on the corner for the inspection. He don't care about safety, he just wants the 15 bucks.

TheBestUkester · 02-04-2008

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Originally Posted by RichLockyer

In general, aftermarket parts are not DOT approved or legal as actual replacements. This goes for many LED bulb replacements as well.

Does that mean you'll get a ticket? Probably not.
Does it mean that you'll have a problem if your state requires inspections? It depends on the inspector.

Inspections for what? I am in Cali like yourself, what inspections would I run into?

RichLockyer · 02-04-2008

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Originally Posted by TheBestUkester

Inspections for what? I am in Cali like yourself, what inspections would I run into?

Shouldn't be a problem then.
The vehicle code does allow for the CHP to set up random safety inspections, just like DUI checkpoints, but I haven't seen one done other than for commercial vehicles in 25 years.

eidian · 02-04-2008

Even if we did have inspections here in Cali, like "Joe Inspector" would know the difference between a bike that started off with OEM integrated mirrors vs a bike with after market ones...unless he's really bored and looks for the DOT mark on the lense.

TheBestUkester · 02-04-2008

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Originally Posted by eidian

Even if we did have inspections here in Cali, like "Joe Inspector" would know the difference between a bike that started off with OEM integrated mirrors vs a bike with after market ones...unless he's really bored and looks for the DOT mark on the lense.

what kind of ticket am I risking here? I think I am going to do it anyways, but I just want to be prepared...

eidian · 02-04-2008

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Originally Posted by TheBestUkester

what kind of ticket am I risking here? I think I am going to do it anyways, but I just want to be prepared...

I'm going to say that you will never get pulled over for the integrated mirrors exclusively. You may "risk" getting it added to another infraction that could get you pulled over...say something like...oh, I don't know...speeding maybe?

The only thing we ever see here in the steeets are DUI check points --the CHP have better things to do than have a "Safety" check point to see if everyone has legal turn signals or exhausts.

Do you have a fender eliminator on your bike? If you do, oops...the LEO's can cite you for removing the reflectors on the back end of your bike. From my experience, integrated signals are about where reflectors are on the list of offenses that you can get a ticket for...at the bottom.

RichLockyer · 02-04-2008

+1
As far as the type of ticket, it will most likely be a "fixit"... reverse the mod, get it signed off, and I think it's a $10 processing fee.

If the cop wants to be a jerk, he could "red tag" the vehicle, meaning that you would have to tow it home.

Like edian said... you aren't going to get pulled over for it.
If you are pulled over for something else, your attitude combined with the cop's attitude toward sportbikers will determine what you get cited for.

TheBestUkester · 02-04-2008

Exactly what I needed to know guys, thanks a ton for the help!

zedx11 · 02-04-2008

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Originally Posted by eidian

Even if we did have inspections here in Cali, like "Joe Inspector" would know the difference between a bike that started off with OEM integrated mirrors vs a bike with after market ones...unless he's really bored and looks for the DOT mark on the lense.

because joe inspector is only in motorcycle shops, at least in MO.

sdbrit68 · 02-05-2008

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Originally Posted by TheBestUkester

Exactly what I needed to know guys, thanks a ton for the help!

I wouldnt stress it, in general, the sheriffs here are decent folk, as long as you arnt being too squidly, or being a jerk when they pull you over. In all the years, I have only run into 1 jerk cop.................

I have received a few tickets, you would be surprised at how far a good morning and a hand shake will get ya, even when I got my pipe ticket, he was respectful he just believed I was wrong

now, you live in Orange county, when you riding with us ???????????

antiq · 02-05-2008

Newer cars have the signals integrated in the mirrors now. It shouldn't be an issue.

RichLockyer · 02-05-2008

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Originally Posted by antiq

Newer cars have the signals integrated in the mirrors now. It shouldn't be an issue.

They are also aux signals... not the primary units.
He's talking about removing the factory signals.

TheBestUkester · 02-05-2008

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Originally Posted by sdbrit68

now, you live in Orange county, when you riding with us ???????????

Gimme a few weeks to get comfortable, MSF, and all that jazz, then I will def be down with meeting up and riding around, bike nights FTW

sdbrit68 · 02-05-2008

we ride a few times a year with the guys from san diego and LA, nothing overly challanging, but fun non the less

TheBestUkester · 02-05-2008

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we ride a few times a year with the guys from san diego and LA, nothing overly challanging, but fun non the less

Nice nice, sounds like fun

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TheBestUkester New to the street... BTK Intermediate Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Orange County Posts: 133	Integrated Mirrors, are they legal to replace turn signals? So is it legal to just use integrated mirrors and no turn signals for the front? I know bikes (like the ducati 84 only have the mirror signals, making me wonder. Is there anywhere I can check? It would be sweet to bondo in that hole where the turn signals go in and re-paint the bike __________________ 2000 ZX-6R Highmount Leo Vince CF exhaust Black Windscreen - White reflective rim tape

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zedx11 yellow doesn't corner wel Extreme Forum Supporter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: KC, KS Posts: 22,144	far as I know, as long as you have them they don't need to be in the stock location but, you live in a different state so maybe someone from there will chime in. __________________ Darrell Ignorance is a disease my friend. You should rid yourself of it.

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alstensby Big bike goes vroom vroom Forum Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Brooklyn Park, MN Posts: 2,805	You'll have to check with your local state. A good source might be your instructor from the local MSF if you took it. If I recall right, MN doesn't even require turn signals so just having them is a bonus. Just make sure they're visible and don't distract you. __________________ Adam L. Stensby '06 Mean Streak http://s251.photobucket.com/albums/gg315/alstensby/

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TheBestUkester New to the street... BTK Intermediate Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Orange County Posts: 133	As far as I can tell California only "requires turn signals" so I guess that these would fly? I am taking the MSF course in two weeks __________________ 2000 ZX-6R Highmount Leo Vince CF exhaust Black Windscreen - White reflective rim tape

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RichLockyer Patriot Guardian Extreme Forum Supporter Join Date: May 2006 Location: Chino, CA Posts: 20,103	In general, aftermarket parts are not DOT approved or legal as actual replacements. This goes for many LED bulb replacements as well. Does that mean you'll get a ticket? Probably not. Does it mean that you'll have a problem if your state requires inspections? It depends on the inspector. __________________ - Rich 2006 1600 Classic Member CORVA, BRC Patriot Guard Rider

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eidian Black is faster, right? Forum Supporter Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Buena Park, CA Posts: 2,485	Even if we did have inspections here in Cali, like "Joe Inspector" would know the difference between a bike that started off with OEM integrated mirrors vs a bike with after market ones...unless he's really bored and looks for the DOT mark on the lense. __________________ '07 black Z1000: Power Bronze/Projekt D/EYI Designs/Leo Vince/Puig/Galfer/T1Concepts

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RichLockyer Patriot Guardian Extreme Forum Supporter Join Date: May 2006 Location: Chino, CA Posts: 20,103	+1 As far as the type of ticket, it will most likely be a "fixit"... reverse the mod, get it signed off, and I think it's a $10 processing fee. If the cop wants to be a jerk, he could "red tag" the vehicle, meaning that you would have to tow it home. Like edian said... you aren't going to get pulled over for it. If you are pulled over for something else, your attitude combined with the cop's attitude toward sportbikers will determine what you get cited for. __________________ - Rich 2006 1600 Classic Member CORVA, BRC Patriot Guard Rider

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TheBestUkester New to the street... BTK Intermediate Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Orange County Posts: 133	Exactly what I needed to know guys, thanks a ton for the help! __________________ 2000 ZX-6R Highmount Leo Vince CF exhaust Black Windscreen - White reflective rim tape

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antiq Vintage bike addict BTK Expert Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: I live in eastern ohio Posts: 4,624	Newer cars have the signals integrated in the mirrors now. It shouldn't be an issue. __________________ Patience and persistance- pays 82 KZ750LTD 78 KZ750 twin Vince

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