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[MotorCDR]

Originally Posted by Saleenguy

He was following the cop....the cop was not in pursuit.

I was stunned to see the cop pass the bike, then not notice the bike following him.
That to me was the funny part.
Maybe the cop had donut crumbs in his eyes , making it hard to see something that obvious, or the guide dog he has was driving the car?

I am unsure, but I sure had to laugh.

Oh, gee, I didn't realize that European cops aren't able to call in backup once they are ahead of a squid. I guess they don't have the same kind of training that American cops have.

European cops probably also are incapable of getting a speed read unless directly behind a violator, unlike American cops.

Lastly, I guess European cops never try to clear the highway ahead of a violator who might otherwise kill some innocent person, though American cops have this maneuver pretty much covered as well.

Yep, must be the donut crumbs or the seeing-eye dog.

I'm sure glad I had a chance to get the real story from a law-enforcement expert such as yourself. I might have never known what was really happening!

[Saleenguy]

Originally Posted by MotorCDR

Oh, gee, I didn't realize that European cops aren't able to call in backup once they are ahead of a squid. I guess they don't have the same kind of training that American cops have.

European cops probably also are incapable of getting a speed read unless directly behind a violator, unlike American cops.

Lastly, I guess European cops never try to clear the highway ahead of a violator who might otherwise kill some innocent person, though American cops have this maneuver pretty much covered as well.

Yep, must be the donut crumbs or the seeing-eye dog.

I'm sure glad I had a chance to get the real story from a law-enforcement expert such as yourself. I might have never known what was really happening!

Did you actually watch the video?

Why would the cop just pass the bike and speed away?

Was he late for the meeting at the donut shop, and that was the reason for lights and spedding?
Or did he not even see the bike?

My guess is this....A cop would not just see the guy he wanted, and drive past him, and keep on speeding happily along the HWY and pull away from the bike.
IMHO he never saw the bike, despite driving past it just mere feet away, in broad daylight.....and he also never checks his miorrors, or he would have seen the bike behind him after he passed it.

So in conclusion, the cop for some reason is unable to see the bike, and if his eye sight sucks that badly, why is he even allowed to drive at all.

Oh, and checking mirrors is just good safe driving IMO.

Thanks

[CTRider]

Originally Posted by Saleenguy

He was following the cop....the cop was not in pursuit.

I was stunned to see the cop pass the bike, then not notice the bike following him.
That to me was the funny part.
Maybe the cop had donut crumbs in his eyes , making it hard to see something that obvious, or the guide dog he has was driving the car?

I am unsure, but I sure had to laugh.

I didn't see it that way at all.

The bike deliberately hid in front of the tour bus. He was so far ahead of the cop by that point, the cop was laying it on trying to catch what he thought was way ahead of him.

He was probably focused on seeing where the bike might be well ahead that he didn't even consider the guy might be playing with him. Ask any cop: I'll bet, normally, when a bike does take off, they don't bother to slow down and toy with the cop. They're gone...long gone.

I'll bet, when he got back to barracks, though, everyone else in his squad got the lowdown - and will be watching for that.

[MrFluffy]

Originally Posted by MotorCDR

Oh, gee, I didn't realize that European cops aren't able to call in backup once they are ahead of a squid. I guess they don't have the same kind of training that American cops have.

European cops probably also are incapable of getting a speed read unless directly behind a violator, unlike American cops.

Lastly, I guess European cops never try to clear the highway ahead of a violator who might otherwise kill some innocent person, though American cops have this maneuver pretty much covered as well.

Its a given they radio ahead for someone else or the helicopter if they can, I can tell you that personally when mr piggie decided to pull me for doing 80mph in a 70mph limit stretch of 4 lane motorway at 2am on a tuned up kawasaki turbo with no other vehicles except me and the (parked illegally on the hard shoulder) cop. I guess he was bored, zero tolerance against speeding bikers had been announced in the local paper and one more fine at that time would have seen my license gone. I wasnt loosing my permit over such a silly infraction especially as I was taking it easy as far as the bike was concerned, so I lit it up and got the full lights show, maybe 7-8 units chasing up and down the motorway and the heli in the air for maybe a hour. Fortunately the heli doesnt see into pedestrian underpasses which is where I was sitting after pulling away enough distance. What a utter waste of money. Still I bet they all enjoyed the adrenaline rush on the taxpayers £££.

There is a law that says they can prosecute for speed by clocking you from behind with a calibrated speedo, however if they loose sight of you for more than 10 seconds or a mile of distance, the conviction cannot be made on that evidence as there is no CERTAINTY that you are the same vehicle. Although it wont stop them trying to, the argument falls apart in court under legal scrutiny if you have the balls to take it to the wire. Mostly they rely on people just rolling over because they are the law and taking it like good sheep.

They don't try to clear the route, but they will spring a trap on you a few miles up the road if you are stupid enough to wander into it. They'll use a stinger on one lane after clearing a bit of space if your in a car, but they're not supposed to use them on motorcycles though Ive seen a attempt.

Its a bit more frantic in europe, what you guys miss is that you can spend 6months to a year in jail for one speeding offense and you will certainly loose your permit for a year or two and have to retake all your competancy tests afterwards which isnt a quick ride round some cones to prove balance, its a hour long pursued roadtest, with written practicals too. I think its mandatory over 100mph for jail time now in the uk, so the stakes about getting away are a little higher. And the uk is absolutely the most anti biker country in the world.

For the video, the cop is useless and his vehicle is hopelessly outclassed, he's perpituating the danger by trying to hang on, but he's on that "im a better driver than everyone else because of my badge" trip that they get on. Watch the ghostrider video where the cop skids across a busy intersection and almost crashes into a innocent doing a manoever outside his (but it seems not ghostriders) skills. I dont agree with riding like that just to bait the police, but I know why people do it, its because of all the propoganda the police put out on tv about how "if your our man, there is NO escape". When cop shows first started showing pursuits, occasionally they showed the odd one that got away, until the police legally forced their removal as they were said to be encouraging people to run. Its all just ego on both sides of the coin.

Ive had FAR FAR FAR more dangerous stunts pulled on me by the police in pursuit than I was ever guilty of myself. Think overtaking 5 cars on a blind bend on a single lane highway when I had overtaken them on the straight before, on a bike using the performance and manoeverability in a manner that I still consider this day to be safe fast roadwork, that I could nip past them without coming into the oncoming lane. I didn't even see the cop that time I was just working my way up the queue picking it off one by one and focused paying attention to whats ahead, I stopped as soon as I seen the lights thinking I hadn't done anything wrong, and he wrote me up for "dangerous overtaking" for which I received 3 points and a $400 fine before I even sat in the car. In fact he told me "get in, Im going to take your license off you for a long time for that" as I walked over to him. I asked for his badge number and made a formal complaint about his general attitude and lack of professionalism and severe lack of road skills, I even solicited the cars I and he had overtaken for their witness testimony as they stopped to ask him what he was playing at. Nothing ever came of it and I used to see him driving round in his car with this "I am god" attitude.
After that they tried to take me to court for some bull**** technicality offense because my permit was "too dirty" they tried to prosecute me for no permit, and I fought it properly, and the court threw out the police's case, citing 0 points against me and costs to be paid by the police. The message "stop wasting our time" doesnt get much stronger than that. We're not all sheep who roll for the man...

Once I used to have respect for the euro rapid response guys on the motorways, and I actually worked with them in a technical capacity. Then I noticed all the people who did the job in a fair and balanced way left over a couple of years and the guys left were all the dangerous assholes who met paper targets laid down by the gov. They used to police the faster bikes out there by consent, we didnt do anything silly round town or in traffic, and they left us alone when rolling quick on a empty motorway. A sort of balance.
Those days are gone, destroyed by the gov issues "zero tolerance" drives and target figures to be met for each force. Now they have sort of lost the respect of the community and its do what you like where you like and run.
I don't know where its heading long term, but its sad. I emigrated but I still get to go back once every blue moon and the country scares me now. Cameras everywhere, people treated like cattle.

[Guitar7272]

Originally Posted by MrFluffy

Its a given they radio ahead for someone else or the helicopter if they can, I can tell you that personally when mr piggie decided to pull me for doing 80mph in a 70mph limit stretch of 4 lane motorway at 2am on a tuned up kawasaki turbo with no other vehicles except me and the (parked illegally on the hard shoulder) cop. I guess he was bored, zero tolerance against speeding bikers had been announced in the local paper and one more fine at that time would have seen my license gone. I wasnt loosing my permit over such a silly infraction especially as I was taking it easy as far as the bike was concerned, so I lit it up and got the full lights show, maybe 7-8 units chasing up and down the motorway and the heli in the air for maybe a hour. Fortunately the heli doesnt see into pedestrian underpasses which is where I was sitting after pulling away enough distance. What a utter waste of money. Still I bet they all enjoyed the adrenaline rush on the taxpayers £££.

There is a law that says they can prosecute for speed by clocking you from behind with a calibrated speedo, however if they loose sight of you for more than 10 seconds or a mile of distance, the conviction cannot be made on that evidence as there is no CERTAINTY that you are the same vehicle. Although it wont stop them trying to, the argument falls apart in court under legal scrutiny if you have the balls to take it to the wire. Mostly they rely on people just rolling over because they are the law and taking it like good sheep.

They don't try to clear the route, but they will spring a trap on you a few miles up the road if you are stupid enough to wander into it. They'll use a stinger on one lane after clearing a bit of space if your in a car, but they're not supposed to use them on motorcycles though Ive seen a attempt.

Its a bit more frantic in europe, what you guys miss is that you can spend 6months to a year in jail for one speeding offense and you will certainly loose your permit for a year or two and have to retake all your competancy tests afterwards which isnt a quick ride round some cones to prove balance, its a hour long pursued roadtest, with written practicals too. I think its mandatory over 100mph for jail time now in the uk, so the stakes about getting away are a little higher. And the uk is absolutely the most anti biker country in the world.

For the video, the cop is useless and his vehicle is hopelessly outclassed, he's perpituating the danger by trying to hang on, but he's on that "im a better driver than everyone else because of my badge" trip that they get on. Watch the ghostrider video where the cop skids across a busy intersection and almost crashes into a innocent doing a manoever outside his (but it seems not ghostriders) skills. I dont agree with riding like that just to bait the police, but I know why people do it, its because of all the propoganda the police put out on tv about how "if your our man, there is NO escape". When cop shows first started showing pursuits, occasionally they showed the odd one that got away, until the police legally forced their removal as they were said to be encouraging people to run. Its all just ego on both sides of the coin.

Ive had FAR FAR FAR more dangerous stunts pulled on me by the police in pursuit than I was ever guilty of myself. Think overtaking 5 cars on a blind bend on a single lane highway when I had overtaken them on the straight before, on a bike using the performance and manoeverability in a manner that I still consider this day to be safe fast roadwork, that I could nip past them without coming into the oncoming lane. I didn't even see the cop that time I was just working my way up the queue picking it off one by one and focused paying attention to whats ahead, I stopped as soon as I seen the lights thinking I hadn't done anything wrong, and he wrote me up for "dangerous overtaking" for which I received 3 points and a $400 fine before I even sat in the car. In fact he told me "get in, Im going to take your license off you for a long time for that" as I walked over to him. I asked for his badge number and made a formal complaint about his general attitude and lack of professionalism and severe lack of road skills, I even solicited the cars I and he had overtaken for their witness testimony as they stopped to ask him what he was playing at. Nothing ever came of it and I used to see him driving round in his car with this "I am god" attitude.
After that they tried to take me to court for some bull**** technicality offense because my permit was "too dirty" they tried to prosecute me for no permit, and I fought it properly, and the court threw out the police's case, citing 0 points against me and costs to be paid by the police. The message "stop wasting our time" doesnt get much stronger than that. We're not all sheep who roll for the man...

Once I used to have respect for the euro rapid response guys on the motorways, and I actually worked with them in a technical capacity. Then I noticed all the people who did the job in a fair and balanced way left over a couple of years and the guys left were all the dangerous assholes who met paper targets laid down by the gov. They used to police the faster bikes out there by consent, we didnt do anything silly round town or in traffic, and they left us alone when rolling quick on a empty motorway. A sort of balance.
Those days are gone, destroyed by the gov issues "zero tolerance" drives and target figures to be met for each force. Now they have sort of lost the respect of the community and its do what you like where you like and run.
I don't know where its heading long term, but its sad. I emigrated but I still get to go back once every blue moon and the country scares me now. Cameras everywhere, people treated like cattle.

So let me get this straight; you wilfully break traffic laws, run from the police, have been cited numerous times and you're accusing the police of out-driving their abilities because of their badge? That's like the pot calling the kettle black. You should really re-evaluate your actions - there's gotta be a reason I, along with numerous other people (I dare say the majority) of people on this board have ZERO points on our licenses... or are the police just out to get you?

Whatever opinions you hold about the police are ultimately irrelevant. The only fact here is that you're part of the problem; it's people like you who are the reason police are cracking down on street bikes and why the general populous has such a **** poor impression of sport bike riders as a whole.

[MrFluffy]

Originally Posted by Guitar7272

So let me get this straight; you wilfully break traffic laws, run from the police, have been cited numerous times and you're accusing the police of out-driving their abilities because of their badge? That's like the pot calling the kettle black. You should really re-evaluate your actions - there's gotta be a reason I, along with numerous other people (I dare say the majority) of people on this board have ZERO points on our licenses... or are the police just out to get you?

Whatever opinions you hold about the police are ultimately irrelevant. The only fact here is that you're part of the problem; it's people like you who are the reason police are cracking down on street bikes and why the general populous has such a **** poor impression of sport bike riders as a whole.

Please re-read my post with a less closed reactionary mind, the cut and run happened a LONG time ago, about 17 years in fact, I havent had a break in my riding since I got my permit either and Im not a young gun on the latest hot out the showroom bike with no experience. Back then I was young and pretty much all the black marks on my license then were down to silly minor infractions which good policing would have gave me a telling off for, and which my friends in car's got away with far worse. But thats life, we made our choices when we chose our method of transport.

The police dangerous driving accusation happened much much later (around 2001 IIRC), and I will stand by my statement therein that I was doing nothing wrong whatsoever. I stand by my roadcraft (which has kept me alive all these years) and I am the holder of a police issued advanced driving qualification, also I made no attempt to outrun him SINCE I WAS DOING NOTHING WRONG, nor WAS I CITED FOR SPEEDING, do you think they would have missed the chance to pile that on if they could? I pulled over like a good citizen and he gave me a black mark on my then again completely clean license based on HIS judgement of the situation, when he had been far far far more reckless in his actions.
If that makes me part of the problem, then Im guilty as charged.

Ill leave you to your cosy little blinkered view of how the rest of the world is now. I only returned here to answer some pm's about technical things, and now thats done I see no reason to try to share experience and the views of how things really are in europe from someone who's spent the last 20 odd years riding in one euro country or another.
As for breaking the law, if a city zones a area around itself no public urination, and your walking in some woods with nobody there, miles from population, but still inside the overlarge zone, and you take a leak on a tree, are you still wilfully breaking the law?
Let him who never sins cast the first stone.

[Guitar7272]

Originally Posted by MrFluffy

Please re-read my post with a less closed reactionary mind, the cut and run happened a LONG time ago, about 17 years in fact, I havent had a break in my riding since I got my permit either and Im not a young gun on the latest hot out the showroom bike with no experience. Back then I was young and pretty much all the black marks on my license then were down to silly minor infractions which good policing would have gave me a telling off for, and which my friends in car's got away with far worse. But thats life, we made our choices when we chose our method of transport.

The police dangerous driving accusation happened much much later (around 2001 IIRC), and I will stand by my statement therein that I was doing nothing wrong whatsoever. I stand by my roadcraft (which has kept me alive all these years) and I am the holder of a police issued advanced driving qualification, also I made no attempt to outrun him SINCE I WAS DOING NOTHING WRONG, nor WAS I CITED FOR SPEEDING, do you think they would have missed the chance to pile that on if they could? I pulled over like a good citizen and he gave me a black mark on my then again completely clean license based on HIS judgement of the situation, when he had been far far far more reckless in his actions.
If that makes me part of the problem, then Im guilty as charged.

Ill leave you to your cosy little blinkered view of how the rest of the world is now. I only returned here to answer some pm's about technical things, and now thats done I see no reason to try to share experience and the views of how things really are in europe from someone who's spent the last 20 odd years riding in one euro country or another.
As for breaking the law, if a city zones a area around itself no public urination, and your walking in some woods with nobody there, miles from population, but still inside the overlarge zone, and you take a leak on a tree, are you still wilfully breaking the law?
Let him who never sins cast the first stone.

I did reread your post and you made no reference to a time frame in which this occurred - how am I supposed to know you are referencing an event that happened 17 years ago if you failed to mention that? In between your condescending "piggie" remarks, you made it sound like it just happened last week.

You can claim victim all you want that the big bad cops gave you unjustified tickets for silly minor infractions but what it all boils down to is this: you broke the law and you got caught. From what it sounds like, you got ticket after ticket and you expect us to believe the better, good policing, option would have been to give you a telling off instead? What would that have taught you where the tickets failed?

As far as the dangerous pass situation, I dont know how the laws in europe work, but in America, when the police (or any other emergency vehicle) have a light bar on, generally we have to pull over and yield. If the cop didnt have his lights on, then shame on him for pulling off a stupid maneuver. Regardless, you can stand by your "roadcraft" all you want but to say you were doing nothing wrong is a complete fallacy. You broke the law, you got caught. The fact that the cop also did something stupid, although a bit hypocritical, 2 wrongs still do not make a right.

I never said I was perfect or had no sin (although in the given situation I'd just wait until I hit a rest stop regardless of what the law was) and I've certainly broken some traffic laws in my day, but I'm not the one on here *****ing about the injustices of being written a ticket. I got a speeding ticket a month into having my drivers license years ago - the cop could have given me a warning but he decided to pop me with a 2 point ticket. Oh well, I broke the law, I got caught and I lived with the consequences of it. You win some, you lose some and life just aint fair... And I'm the one with a cosy blinkered view of the world?

[MotorCDR]

Originally Posted by MrFluffy

Please re-read my post with a less closed reactionary mind,

*plonk*

Whenever anyone uses the word "reactionary," they are saying "I'm going to do what I like, and you are evil for disagreeing with me."

Fortunately, when you get through puberty, you will probably outgrow your attitude.

[MotorCDR]

Originally Posted by Saleenguy

.....and he also never checks his miorrors, or he would have seen the bike behind him after he passed it.

So, what should he have done to prove to you that he noticed the squid behind him, hit the brakes?

He maybe could have proven seeing the motor beside him by changing lanes and shoving the squid off onto the shoulder.

But heck, what do _I_ know about motorcycles, police work or pursuit . . ? That's why I come here, to learn from experts such as yourself.

[Saleenguy]

Originally Posted by MotorCDR

So, what should he have done to prove to you that he noticed the squid behind him, hit the brakes?

He maybe could have proven seeing the motor beside him by changing lanes and shoving the squid off onto the shoulder.

But heck, what do _I_ know about motorcycles, police work or pursuit . . ? That's why I come here, to learn from experts such as yourself.

Would you not try to track the riders course and follow him until he has to eventually stop.

The cop took off and was pulling away quickly....at that point anyone wanting to evade the cop simply needed to take any exit ramp, and ride off into the sunset.
If I was a cop, I sure would not just pass the guy I wanted for whatever reason, and speed away from him into the distance.

Seems rather pointless, does it not?

[gdhugh]

Originally Posted by Saleenguy

I am not excusing the dangerous actions of the moron on the bike.....but that said, if the cop is over driving his skill level so badly, he cannot see the bike just feet away from him, in plain view, then the cop should at that point call of the pursuit, and let the rider go.....IMHO letting him go is safer , than chasing ( or being followed in this case) at speeds your not able to safely drive at.

Honestly did that cop really think he could catch a performance bike in that crappy car.
Maybe if he was in a Hennessy Viper, and was a very good driver he had a chance, otherwise he lost before the chase started.

Tip to all cops.........You cannot keep up with a bike in your cop car....... if you want to chase a bike, ride a ZX14, do not drive a volvo, or Impala.

HEy, Hey, Hey... my Volvo wil do 150mph easy.

[eidian]

I think that this "Monday morning quarterbacking" is just driving all of us crazy. The video is what it is: an entertaining video which is unfortunately based on some very dangerous, unnecessary stunts. The LEO's will catch some and they'll lose some.

Let's just do our part by riding safely.

[sdbrit68]

yeah it went from entertaing............to nasty in 1.5 pages.

damn, thats faster than my honda shadow

[eidian]

Originally Posted by sdbrit68

yeah it went from entertaing............to nasty in 1.5 pages.

damn, thats faster than my honda shadow

You mean at that very moment when you put that strange looking fairing on your bike?

Did you ever see my hilarious attempt at making a fairing for the 500R that you made the funny comment on in BP Mall parking lot...and I quote, "...didn't you know that these bikes aren't made for the dirt?". You haven't seen it!? Please, have a good laugh:





And that was inspired by the Z1!? As you can see, it was easier to just buy Z1.

[sdbrit68]

actually...........thats some pretty good work, dont think I could have done as well,

I wouldnt mind a synopsis on how ya did it

[Saleenguy]

Originally Posted by eidian

You mean at that very moment when you put that strange looking fairing on your bike?

Did you ever see my hilarious attempt at making a fairing for the 500R that you made the funny comment on in BP Mall parking lot...and I quote, "...didn't you know that these bikes aren't made for the dirt?". You haven't seen it!? Please, have a good laugh:





And that was inspired by the Z1!? As you can see, it was easier to just buy Z1.

A nice paint job on that, and I bet it would look really cool.

Nice job on the fairing IMO.