Real quick question! group of crusiers + ticket

[ManhattanRider]

Just got back from a quick ride on the freeway

I heard a loud sound from behind me - I looked back and saw over 10 people blasting past me on cruisers. going well over 100mph on the belt parkway


And a cop van pulled me over - And said i was doing 92mph.

I told him - I was going 40 - He said he was tracking me for 10 blocks. from 90th to 80. Which was not me

He was an obviously lying sack of crap. No one was tracking me - Because just after 20 secs of getting on the highway this happened

He thought i was a part of all those cruiser guys.

He got the wrong person

This is a Great example of - WRONG PLACE AT THE WRONG TIME

I got 11 damn points...Which is basically hell - 1 more point = LICENSE SUSPENDED

he said - Doing 92 mph in a 50 zone

I was innocent... I was doing 40 when i saw this all happen.

and i got the red lights on me...WTF?

so i have a question. I have the ticket in front of me

Uh do i have points on now or what...or can i still ride

I am pleading not guilty and going to fight this.

So question is...Can i go out riding

Or do i have points on me at the moment.

[atomic47]

fight it................fight every ticket every time. points will not go against the license until either you pay the fine(admitting guilt) or after court.

[ManhattanRider]

Originally Posted by atomic47

fight it................fight every ticket every time. points will not go against the license until either you pay the fine(admitting guilt) or after court.

I will...No crap i will fight it

The hell man.

That cop was ****ed...

probably waiting for them to get off at an exit.

But they blasted away - And he went after me

I didn't say anything at all - I sat there gave him the papers and he gave me a ticket.

I was starting to talk a little say...But i juh

And he shouted...

YOU THINK YOU CAN LET ME TALK

He was a rude, ugly, nasty grunt

[daniel2002p]

dude keep us updated, im subscribing to this thread now

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[McGrude]

That totally blows. I wonder why he took it out on you.

[RichLockyer]

Originally Posted by McGrude

That totally blows. I wonder why he took it out on you.

MR was the only one he could catch.

[tai42]

Maybe they looked meaner too! Wouldn't want to mess with the rough looking ones.

I wonder if you can subpoena them to get the dash-cam tape if there was one in the van. Then it would clearly show you weren't part of the group.

[Slo'Poke]

That just blows!

One suggestion I would have would be this - IN COURT, ASK THEM TO PROVIDE VIDEO PROOF OF YOU BEING PACED AT 92 MPH! If he was tracking you for this long, he should be able to substatiate it. I'm willing to bet he cannot.

A little harder, but retrace your route and look for surveillance cameras. Don't know if this is possible, if there are any, see if your subpoena the footage for the timeframe. I think you'd need a lawyer for this.

The latter is the tactic I use at work when I have a yahoo who's just blazing around the 10 mph-speed-limit ramp and they claim they weren't. Distance & Time = Speed. Works every time. At the very least, it'll prove that you weren't in that speeding pack.

Hope this helps. Good luck fighting this!

[jbsmd]

What are the other 11 points from? Good luck on convincing a judge.

[polizei]

Originally Posted by Slo'Poke

That just blows! One suggestion I would have would be this - IN COURT, ASK THEM TO PROVIDE VIDEO PROOF OF YOU BEING PACED AT 92 MPH!

Uh...police don't use video recording while running someone's speed.... The only time the video recorder is playing is when either they manually turn it on or when the lights are on.

And honestly, this is going to be police officer vs. you, and most likely you are going to lose UNLESS you can provide evidence, which I assume you cannot. Sorry about your luck, crap happens to good people for no reason. What I would do is take it to court, explain when you left, where you were going, how fast you were going, and explain the "other bikers" to the court. Hopefully they will dismiss it, but I wouldn't be shocked if they didn't, it all depends on the judge.

-Cody

[Slo'Poke]

Originally Posted by polizei

Uh...police don't use video recording while running someone's speed.... The only time the video recorder is playing is when either they manually turn it on or when the lights are on.


-Cody

So if it is keyed to the Code 3's (and one assumes he would turn on his lights for this situation), wouldn't it have been activated during the stop? At least that's my understanding from all the PD guys I work with. Camera comes on during a traffic stop - it provides proof of the violation, and anything else that happens during the stop.

So (again, if it activated during the stop), there should be a vid showing the officer doing over a hundred to catch up with him. Relative speed should be able to be determined, based on closure rate, right?

I do agree that this is a difficult thing to fight, but considering what's at stake, shouldn't he try?

[ManhattanRider]

That cop was just lying. I know it, he knows it, There's nothing surprising here.

I will try and get this dismissed.

Nyc has some good ticket and traffic violation lawyers who get people dismissed or reduce the ticket to a parking one

We got some good lawyers here, That's for sure.

I am pleading not guilty, they will give me a court date

Sometimes the officers are a NO SHOW - if he is a no show - Then i won't get anything on me.

If he shows - I'll just fight it - i don't care

Also, he didn't film anything.

They just track the vehicle with some thing, and then chase you.

He has no proof or video. I am sure about that

[MXDesa]

Welcome to the piece of sh** scum that is the NYPD. Granted not all are douche sacks, but a lot are rude arrogant scumbags and I can't stand it. Sorry for your misfortune but i feel your pain.

[polizei]

Originally Posted by Slo'Poke

So if it is keyed to the Code 3's (and one assumes he would turn on his lights for this situation), wouldn't it have been activated during the stop? At least that's my understanding from all the PD guys I work with. Camera comes on during a traffic stop - it provides proof of the violation, and anything else that happens during the stop.

So (again, if it activated during the stop), there should be a vid showing the officer doing over a hundred to catch up with him. Relative speed should be able to be determined, based on closure rate, right?

I do agree that this is a difficult thing to fight, but considering what's at stake, shouldn't he try?

Well, it depends on the officer. Not all will hit the lights right away, but some will. And yes, you are correct...once you hit the lights the video comes on and starts recording, so theoretically you should be able to see the officer "catch up" to him. However, there is another variation to this....where was the officer? Was he running manual (hand-held) radar, laser, li-dar, was he running it from the cruiser? Was he moving, etc.?

You cannot compete with laser, you WILL lose, however if he was running radar while moving and the group of bikes passed by, he could have picked up one of them and pulled you over for it....

-Cody

[92NinjaZX6]

This reminds of a time when i got pulled over in my 300ZX for speeding when i just got on the freeway. Appearantly a couple of ricers in a black sports car that looked similar to mine were doing 130 mph when i got on the freeway and the chp were trying to catch up with him for about a mile or 2, they think i was the other guy racing. He pulled me over extremely copping a attitude like "you have any idea how effen fast you were going?" I replied calmly "yeah, i was approaching 60mph" "he replied "dont you try to be a smart a$$ and bs lie to me punk, im going to take you off to jail", at that point im starting to boil my blood and tell him to go fuk himself. The only reason why i got off the ticket because i had showed him a gas receipt from a nearby 76 gas station that i filled up at 2-3 mins prior to jumping on the freeway. Obviously that wasnt me i had told him, i got on the freeway there and you pulled me over 1 exit later. He didnt even apologize that prick, he got in his squad car and left. Anyways, without evidence like that i think it might be hard to prove it wasnt you since the judge is usually in favor of the pigs.

[mrblanche]

I've mentioned it several time, but these people will tell you what you need to know. We should all be members!

The National Motorists Association Website

[BALDnBLK]

hey bro points wont come off til case is completed on way or the other...keep us posted

[SilverBullet]

Originally Posted by polizei

Uh...police don't use video recording while running someone's speed.... The only time the video recorder is playing is when either they manually turn it on or when the lights are on.

And honestly, this is going to be police officer vs. you, and most likely you are going to lose UNLESS you can provide evidence, which I assume you cannot. Sorry about your luck, crap happens to good people for no reason. What I would do is take it to court, explain when you left, where you were going, how fast you were going, and explain the "other bikers" to the court. Hopefully they will dismiss it, but I wouldn't be shocked if they didn't, it all depends on the judge.

-Cody

This is not correct. The old style Hi-8 video recorders were the ones that only recorded when maunally turned on or the emergency lighting was activated due to constantly having to change out tapes. A lot of police departments especially bigger cities and boros, have switched over to digital recorders which turns on as soon as the car is turned on. The digital recorders don't require as much space or the constant changing of tapes.

Another form of digital recorder has a preset "pre event" recorder where it records in usually 60 second loops (but can be changed) and then once the camera is activated It keeps the prior 60 second plus the active time saved. It is either activated via the lights or a manual remote usually hept on hand by the officer.

Trust me, seen it, worked with it, and one in our town even caught a horrific fatal accident at a major intersection while stopped waiting at a stop light. That video was used during the trail.

As for them not giving up the tape, if it is evidence regardless if it goes against the cop or if it helps, it is still evidence and if requested must be brought in, otherwise it will damage the officers case and credibility.

As someone said, fight it and if you think it is going to be complicated, get the advice of a lawyer or retain one.

[polizei]

That's news to me, when I do police rides this is not the case. You guys have better technology than we do! The police here still have the digital that can be manually turned on or by hitting the lights.

-Cody

[cruiserV]

Went to New York City once. That was enough. Found 99% of the folks there to be miserable and way past rude. Well, who wouldn't be if you had to live in a s**t hole like that. Maybe you should move away from there. I know several former NY'ers who ALL say, it was the best thing they ever did!