2 strokes dying out!!!

1985kx125rider · 03-01-2009

I cant believe that they are going to stop making 2 strokes! I am going to miss that dinging and white smoke! I guess its bad for the envirnment, getting about two miles a gallon.

Sierra Vulcan · 03-01-2009

I had a old Suzuki two stroke triple, smelly and scary fast, that was a bad choice for me as a teen.

sharky1381 · 03-01-2009

I will continue to ride my 1988 ATK 406 dirt bike for as long as I can get parts.

VN900GUY · 03-01-2009

I'm still rockin' the 2 strokes.

I race my 87' LT250 in XC races.

1985kx125rider · 03-01-2009

I' always run with the two strokes! ( can't afford four strokes....)

soc_monki · 03-02-2009

2 strokes have been dying out for a while...you can thank the EPA for that. theyre the reason we have 4 stroke motocross bikes now. however i think the biggest reason to switching to 4 strokes was Yamaha and the YZ426. AMA rules always stated that 4 strokes were allowed 200cc extra to compete with the 2 strokes (power issue).
with the EPA closing in on 2 strokes, Yamaha made the 426 and showed the world that a motocross bike could be a 4 stroke and be competitive in weight and performance. now the engines pretty much eclipse the performance of the old 2 strokes, since they have more torque, a broader powerband, and are nearly as light, and more horsepower to boot.

still...2 strokes rule. nothing like the "brap!" of a highly strung 2 stroke MXer!

1985kx125rider · 03-02-2009

Yeah! who needs valves!

VN900GUY · 03-02-2009

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Originally Posted by soc_monki

2 strokes have been dying out for a while...you can thank the EPA for that. theyre the reason we have 4 stroke motocross bikes now. however i think the biggest reason to switching to 4 strokes was Yamaha and the YZ426. AMA rules always stated that 4 strokes were allowed 200cc extra to compete with the 2 strokes (power issue).
with the EPA closing in on 2 strokes, Yamaha made the 426 and showed the world that a motocross bike could be a 4 stroke and be competitive in weight and performance. now the engines pretty much eclipse the performance of the old 2 strokes, since they have more torque, a broader powerband, and are nearly as light, and more horsepower to boot.

still...2 strokes rule. nothing like the "brap!" of a highly strung 2 stroke MXer!

4 strokes still can't touch 2 strokes without having significantly more CC's. And the new 4 strokes are not as maintenance free as the old ones.

1985kx125rider · 03-02-2009

I love choking on 2 stroke fumes in the garage!

aKorn · 03-02-2009

When I was in high school, I has a 81 Suzuki PE 185. It was a great bike and it would pull the front end off the ground, when it hit the power-band, in all six gears.

Last year I got to ride a tricked out, bored-out, KTM 450 four-stroke and it was the nicest dirt bike I've ever ridden. It was putting out 55hp at the back wheel. To be honest, I don't miss 2-stokes.

K

Av8girl · 03-02-2009

I'm in the process of restoring a 1975 G3SSE, it may become even harder to find freakin parts now.

soc_monki · 03-02-2009

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Originally Posted by VN900GUY

4 strokes still can't touch 2 strokes without having significantly more CC's. And the new 4 strokes are not as maintenance free as the old ones.

thats why we have 250 and 450cc classes, instead of 125 and 250s! i never said they needed the same amount of CC's, quite the contrary. but 125s and 250s are still allowed to compete, but the 4 strokes are still given the 200cc advantage because they need it. however, the 4 strokes make more power then the 2 strokes in the same class (125 = 35 hp, 250 4 stroke = 42 hp...250= 50 hp, 450 4 stroke = 55+ hp). also add to that the increased torque and broader powerband and you have a machine that will have an advantage. less shifting, less clutch work, more traction, easier to ride.

its the same in superbike racing, where Ducatis are given 200 extra cc's to work with, giving they have 2 piston engines compared to the inline 4s of competitors.

and on the maintenence...i agree. on the 4's you need to do valve adjustments, you have cams to mess with, etc. 2 stroke...replace the piston and rings and you have a brand new top end! LOL less parts = easier and cheaper maintenence.

and i still prefer 2 strokes...but if they make the 250 4's with FI soon, ill probably upgrade one day!

1985kx125rider · 03-02-2009

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Originally Posted by Av8girl

I'm in the process of restoring a 1975 G3SSE, it may become even harder to find freakin parts now.

Yeah, its impossible to find parts for old bikes now. I bought my 1985 kx 125 for $500, and I could part it out and make thousands of dollars! Parts for my bike are EXPENSIVE!! a brand new piston costs $150!

WeBeToyz · 03-02-2009

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Originally Posted by 1985kx125rider

I love choking on 2 stroke fumes in the garage!

I'm still light-headed from the last time I worked on one - back in '88...

MauiAl · 03-02-2009

As much as I tried to convince her the wife says two strokes aren't good enough??????

VN900GUY · 03-03-2009

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Originally Posted by MauiAl

As much as I tried to convince her the wife says two strokes aren't good enough??????

As long as it's enough to make you happy that's all that counts right?

*Ducking for cover in case your wife reads this*

stevend135 · 03-03-2009

I still have my 01 ke100 dualsport I plan on rebuilding and riding this spring.

1985kx125rider · 03-04-2009

yeah, 2 strokes have always been lighter than four strokes, not having valves and all....

1985kx125rider · 03-20-2009

Isn't KTM and Yamaha continuing to make two strokes?? I think Husquvarna is also has some two stroke models.

W-P Bill · 03-20-2009

I'd still love to own one of these someday. Later disk brake equipped version, though.

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1985kx125rider Made It To Second Gear BTK Beginner Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: chicago Posts: 89	2 strokes dying out!!! I cant believe that they are going to stop making 2 strokes! I am going to miss that dinging and white smoke! I guess its bad for the envirnment, getting about two miles a gallon. __________________ Sticken' with the 2 strokes!!! Last edited by 1985kx125rider : 05-15-2009 at 06:31 PM.

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1985kx125rider Made It To Second Gear BTK Beginner Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: chicago Posts: 89	I' always run with the two strokes! ( can't afford four strokes....) __________________ Sticken' with the 2 strokes!!!

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soc_monki Way Too Much Free Time BTK Expert Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Mississippi Posts: 1,484	2 strokes have been dying out for a while...you can thank the EPA for that. theyre the reason we have 4 stroke motocross bikes now. however i think the biggest reason to switching to 4 strokes was Yamaha and the YZ426. AMA rules always stated that 4 strokes were allowed 200cc extra to compete with the 2 strokes (power issue). with the EPA closing in on 2 strokes, Yamaha made the 426 and showed the world that a motocross bike could be a 4 stroke and be competitive in weight and performance. now the engines pretty much eclipse the performance of the old 2 strokes, since they have more torque, a broader powerband, and are nearly as light, and more horsepower to boot. still...2 strokes rule. nothing like the "brap!" of a highly strung 2 stroke MXer! __________________ 2008 Green ZX-6R DIY Fender Elim, Jumper Mod, Yoshi RS-5, rearset raisers Music Lucian Scott

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1985kx125rider Made It To Second Gear BTK Beginner Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: chicago Posts: 89	Yeah! who needs valves! __________________ Sticken' with the 2 strokes!!!

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1985kx125rider Made It To Second Gear BTK Beginner Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: chicago Posts: 89	I love choking on 2 stroke fumes in the garage! __________________ Sticken' with the 2 strokes!!!

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1985kx125rider Made It To Second Gear BTK Beginner Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: chicago Posts: 89	yeah, 2 strokes have always been lighter than four strokes, not having valves and all.... __________________ Sticken' with the 2 strokes!!!

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1985kx125rider Made It To Second Gear BTK Beginner Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: chicago Posts: 89	Isn't KTM and Yamaha continuing to make two strokes?? I think Husquvarna is also has some two stroke models. __________________ Sticken' with the 2 strokes!!!

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