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    Quote Originally Posted by FL Vulcan Rider View Post
    This happens to me all of the time. I was at Subway and the bill was $6.30 and I gave her $10.00 .. then I reached in my pocket and gave her $1.30 to make it $11.30... she looked at me strange and I had to tell her what to do.

    I am only 22, but I had a private school education that meant something. I took algebra 1 in 7th grade, and geometry in 8th grade.... I took trig, pre-calc, and calc in high school.

    It's sad that all of my friends in high school were taking

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    10th - Algebra 1 A
    11th - Algebra 1 B
    12th - No math needed

    I went to public school and often have this discussion. I agree that public school is certainly lacking... but i think it has less to do with schooling to a degree and more to do parental involvement and student attitude. I think years ago it wasn't as common to go to college, if you wanted to go then you really had to work your butt off. Now pretty much anyone with a diploma can go.

    I'm only 25 and went to public school. I took the same classes as you b/c i wanted to. That's another issue i think... I had the choice. I have friends who took only 1 algebra and then the rest were general math... b/c they had the choice.

    In my opinion you cannot give every kid at the age of 12 the choice to build their future. I already knew i wanted to be an engineer luckily and acted accordingly.

    anyway, the education opportunity is there at public schools (trust me, the one i went to (Newark High School, Newark Oh) has one of the lowest scores in the state. But it also has a college style campus with 2000 kids who could just walk off campus whenever they wanted, and choose to take the easiest possible route to a diploma. That route could also include being a trouble maker and disruption and being put in the "alternative academy" where all you had to do was not get suspended pretty much and earned a diploma.

    Man, i went off track again... anyway while the education system is at fault, if you raise your kid right and they have the head to make the right decisions and try, then the opportunity is usually there.

    Funny joke by the way
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schecter View Post
    Math has undergone a change. It's like they spend more time on impractical math than practical.

    Instead of teaching you stuff like fractions and mental math. We spend time solving stuff like this.


    You spend enough time you're going to forget that 1.58-2.00+.08=.50

    hmm maybe, although I've gone through more maths that i could care for, chemistrys, quantum physics, thermodynamics, statics...blah blah...etc.

    and can still manage to make change
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    it always gets me when i speak to my professors at the univ, and they reply to some questions: "don't ask me, that's not in my field of expertise."

    one of my professors, a PhD, told me he never had to take any math or science courses for his degree. i know more math than he does. how is this right?

    why are you a teacher if you still choose to remain ignorant on some things? i was taught not to throw away free knowledge if it's offered to you.
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    When I saw the title of this post I said to myself, "Self, don't even read this, you won't get it." but I did :p I'm VERY VERY dyslexic (mainly with numbers too) but this joke is sad but true. The highest math I've had (and I've been to college 3 times) is alg I. BUT, I can count back change & make sense of it all, dunno why I guess bc when I started working at bars the registers didn't tell you how much the change was, I just always count it back.

    I grew up a ward of the state and was bounced around foster care until I was emancipated at 16 so I went to some pretty sh*tty schools.

    I hired a new bartender yesterday and I was trying to train her to run the register & count down the reg & poker bag and she just couldn't get it. She called me 2 hrs into her shift and couldn't figure out how to make the register 'tell' her how much change to give back. Ok, everything is either $1, $2, $3.50 or $4. No pennys, just quarters n paper money but she couldnt figure out how to count back the change. Sad really. Someone like me who is horrendous at math, I can barely add at times but I can make change all day. I'm rambling. THnx for posting this

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    Quote Originally Posted by rocknskot View Post
    it always gets me when i speak to my professors at the univ, and they reply to some questions: "don't ask me, that's not in my field of expertise."

    one of my professors, a PhD, told me he never had to take any math or science courses for his degree. i know more math than he does. how is this right?

    why are you a teacher if you still choose to remain ignorant on some things? i was taught not to throw away free knowledge if it's offered to you.
    as a civil engineer, I had 4 years of history in high school (technically i took 2 history classes in college but i didn't have to)

    but why would i need more history to do my job effectively?

    Why would an english teacher need anything past high school algebra to function and be an effective english teacher?

    I think the stuff they MAKE you take is unnecessary. My major was pretty much the only major at Ohio State that didn't require a foreign language. I think it's unnecessary for everyone to have to take it... it's a nice thing to have but i don't need it.

    I think being forced to take x hours of performing arts, or sociology, or psychology, or cultural diversity... I don't think i need any of these things to design roads, build bridges or time traffic signals.

    I'm not attacking you... just playing devil's advocate... and airing out an annoyance. I could have knocked close to a year off of my college and been an equally skilled civil engineer. Not to mention save a boat load of money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by c_law23 View Post
    as a civil engineer, I had 4 years of history in high school (technically i took 2 history classes in college but i didn't have to)

    but why would i need more history to do my job effectively?

    Why would an english teacher need anything past high school algebra to function and be an effective english teacher?

    I think the stuff they MAKE you take is unnecessary. My major was pretty much the only major at Ohio State that didn't require a foreign language. I think it's unnecessary for everyone to have to take it... it's a nice thing to have but i don't need it.

    I think being forced to take x hours of performing arts, or sociology, or psychology, or cultural diversity... I don't think i need any of these things to design roads, build bridges or time traffic signals.

    I'm not attacking you... just playing devil's advocate... and airing out an annoyance. I could have knocked close to a year off of my college and been an equally skilled civil engineer. Not to mention save a boat load of money.
    I'm a Mech E...and went through the same thing. Took Russian Civ...took a modern art class...I'll never need those for anything other than random conversation bits.

    But it even gets more specialized when going for a PhD. There's quite a few fields in mechanical engineering...and I'm in the giant field of heat transfer within those. No way I'm going to be able to learn EVERYTHING in Mech E, much less adding in history of other civilizations, and still be good at my job (which is heat transfer, in particular phase change heat transfer).

    As for public vs private...I agree its on the parents. I was a public school kid...finished my BSME in 4 years (the lightest workload I took in all of college was 14 hours...once), could have gotten a math minor if I would have filled out the paper work in time (apparently there is a time limit on that stuff )...finishing my masters right now, starting a PhD this summer. I'd say that was pretty successful for a lowly public school brat...but my parents didn't let me underachieve.

    As for simple math...spend enough time looking at this:





    and 10.00 - 5.71 takes a second or two...but I can still do it (albeit slower than some people).

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    I love that Ma and Pa Kettle clip.

    I've used that so many times for various reasons.
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    Oh man, you have no idea how timely this was/is. Thanks for the laugh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by c_law23 View Post
    as a civil engineer, I had 4 years of history in high school (technically i took 2 history classes in college but i didn't have to)

    but why would i need more history to do my job effectively?

    Why would an english teacher need anything past high school algebra to function and be an effective english teacher?

    I think the stuff they MAKE you take is unnecessary. My major was pretty much the only major at Ohio State that didn't require a foreign language. I think it's unnecessary for everyone to have to take it... it's a nice thing to have but i don't need it.

    I think being forced to take x hours of performing arts, or sociology, or psychology, or cultural diversity... I don't think i need any of these things to design roads, build bridges or time traffic signals.

    I'm not attacking you... just playing devil's advocate... and airing out an annoyance. I could have knocked close to a year off of my college and been an equally skilled civil engineer. Not to mention save a boat load of money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by c_law23 View Post
    as a civil engineer, I had 4 years of history in high school (technically i took 2 history classes in college but i didn't have to)

    but why would i need more history to do my job effectively?

    Why would an english teacher need anything past high school algebra to function and be an effective english teacher?

    I think the stuff they MAKE you take is unnecessary. My major was pretty much the only major at Ohio State that didn't require a foreign language. I think it's unnecessary for everyone to have to take it... it's a nice thing to have but i don't need it.

    I think being forced to take x hours of performing arts, or sociology, or psychology, or cultural diversity... I don't think i need any of these things to design roads, build bridges or time traffic signals.

    I'm not attacking you... just playing devil's advocate... and airing out an annoyance. I could have knocked close to a year off of my college and been an equally skilled civil engineer. Not to mention save a boat load of money.
    I'm well aware of what public school can do. My other sister got a full scholarship from University of Florida to be a Florida Gator. She had a 4.8 GPA and is getting paid to go to school... she is actually profiting money from all of the scholarships she has. She went to public school... but she "decided" to succeed.

    In the private schools that I've been to, you kinda dont have a choice, but to succeed, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubba68CS View Post
    As for simple math...spend enough time looking at this:





    and 10.00 - 5.71 takes a second or two...but I can still do it (albeit slower than some people).
    lol. Navier Stokes equations ay.
    Yea i spend so much time working with that kind of math that some times i have to think a little bit about adding and subtracting as well.
    I always tell my fiance that my math doesnt use numbers but letters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jap4lvr View Post
    lol. Navier Stokes equations ay.
    Yea i spend so much time working with that kind of math that some times i have to think a little bit about adding and subtracting as well.
    I always tell my fiance that my math doesnt use numbers but letters.


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    a friend of mine is a teacher...........she told me her school district policy is this, she cant flunk more than 10% of her class, literally.

    one of her associates lowered the standard to get a "d" to 50% because of this.
    while at 41 I wont try and compete with the younger 20 somethings, the reality, the stuff you learn, I cant even pronounce

    the world has gotten tougher on the international stage for the younger guys.......no longer are you competing against the guy in the next county over, but competing for scholarships with students across the sea, so I will admit, it is tougher on you

    ut for god sakes, lets teach our kids the basics...........I have a question, I ask everyone I interview for the past 10 years, its not a trick at all

    " if something costs a dollar, and it is on sale for 10% off, how much is it"

    I have interviewed probably 400 people, gotten about 10 to 15 correct answers
    It wasnt me, I wasnt even there

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