better get that flu shot......

[tricker]

Not trying to start anything but it just amuses me. Go to google and type in "H1N1 conspiracy theories" and go nuts. I'm not an expert either even though personally 4+ years in the medical field and including family members 40+ years in the field.

[Jake '53]

Haven't read them all but I particularly like the one where it's a genetically engineered combination of avian and swine flu designed to kill off individuals with specific genetic patterns.

[CTRider]

Originally Posted by Kanuckle

As someone said earlier today, if we had the internet in the 1950's we would all be sitting in wheelchairs right now because no one would have taken the polio vaccine.

Bad comparison.

Unlike cold and flu viruses, polio doesn't alter itself to grow stronger as we fight it. The flu virus itself actually builds up an immunity to our vaccinations. That's why the previous vaccine doesn't work. It's also why the current one doesn't always work: it's based off the old version of the virus, not what's currently going around.

It's also why we have these "super flu" viruses that are only going to become more common as the years go by. Instead of allowing our much more effective natural long term immunity to combat the viruses, we essentially suppress it for the short term gain of protecting us now.

The problem is, down the road, we get into trouble because we've allowed ourselves to become so dependent on these vaccines for things that we have no cure for (there is no cure for the flu, just like with other viruses) that we can no longer fight it off when the vaccine doesn't work.

For what it's worth, I also have grave concerns with the overuse of anti-bacterial agents. We use this stuff in everything, to the point where we run the potential of not being able to build up a natural immunity in the first place. Our immune systems work by learning to fight viruses. If we kill them all before we can be exposed, that one little lapse in the routine is going to hit you hard.

So, I wash my hands regularly and keep my fingers out of places with mucus membranes, but I don't use all those anti-bacterial wipes and hand cleaners. Yes, I realize pretty much every soap has that stuff in it, but I avoid using it continuously. You can't fight what you haven't been exposed to.

BTW: in reference to the "healthy" kid that died from H1N1, I do have to say one thing: there's a difference between "healthy" and having a strong immune system. The kid may have only been healthy due to lack of any real exposure to the virus. So, the first time he encountered it, it probably hit him hard.

[tricker]

i should have bought stock in purell

[ARCHAIC]

H1N1 isnt new...i remember a mention of it in a family guy episode from 3-4 years ago

[Jake '53]

Originally Posted by ARCHAIC

H1N1 isnt new.....

Correct. It was a big killer during WW1, again in the early 50's, which is why they think people who were born between about 1945 and 1955 have some immunity, there was a big scare in the 70's, caused primarily by deaths associated with a rushed vaccine (sound familiar) and the current mutation. The actual strain has changed since WW1 but it is still being identified as A/H1N1 or swine flu.

[wild_deuce03]

Originally Posted by tricker

i should have bought stock in purell

LMAO!!!!! +10000000000

[kawpaul]

Originally Posted by Kanuckle

Like the 13-year-old that died here yesterday, this strain of the flu seems to seriously affect individuals with apparently healthy immune systems. While most people that have contracted H1N1 don't even realize they have it, others have been not so fortunate. I have always gotten the flu shot every second year (no one knows how long they last) and have been flu-free. My teenage kids have always resisted getting the shot (afraid of needles) and I haven't pushed it. Immunization for H1N1 begins here on November 3 and we will all be getting it. Seeing that poor father today talking about how quickly his son went from healthy to deceased has convinced me. As for the safety of the vaccine I am prepared to put my trust in the head of the W.H.O. with his doctorate in micro biology rather than some anecdotes found on the internet.

As someone said earlier today, if we had the internet in the 1950's we would all be sitting in wheelchairs right now because no one would have taken the polio vaccine.

Really?
Look at this chart.

[sebastian1000]

Originally Posted by tricker

Not trying to start anything but it just amuses me. Go to google and type in "H1N1 conspiracy theories" and go nuts. I'm not an expert either even though personally 4+ years in the medical field and including family members 40+ years in the field.

Now Google Mercury Poisoning, FDA mistakes, and Alzheimer's. Yeah it's amusing. So very amusing. I do not understand the people who just shrug off these things. The attempts to discredit people with valid and rational fears are just dim...they say watch out for black helicopters. WOW that is a terribly smart option.

[Jake '53]

Originally Posted by sebastian1000

Now Google Mercury Poisoning, FDA mistakes, and Alzheimer's. Yeah it's amusing. So very amusing. I do not understand the people who just shrug off these things. The attempts to discredit people with valid and rational fears are just dim...they say watch out for black helicopters. WOW that is a terribly smart option.

Valid, rational fears do not need to be based on imagined conspiracies. Ignorance and poor execution are not conspiracies, they're just ignorance and poor execution.

[tricker]

Originally Posted by sebastian1000

Now Google Mercury Poisoning, FDA mistakes, and Alzheimer's. Yeah it's amusing. So very amusing. I do not understand the people who just shrug off these things. The attempts to discredit people with valid and rational fears are just dim...they say watch out for black helicopters. WOW that is a terribly smart option.

Facts are facts and those can't be argued.. conspiracy theories are well.. theories? If you are assuming I'm ignorant on this topic then that isn't something I'll discuss cause well a slap fest online is not worth my time.

[kawichic]

I am not *healthy* by most doctor's definition. I have no cartilage in my knees, I have a *dent* in my spine, I have abdominal cysts that like to rupture (very painful) and fill my abdomen with fluid... I have chronic migraines, I have poor eyesight, I have ADD and OCD... I have osteo-arthritis in my hands and feet... I've been walking on a multi-fractured foot for almost 2 years now... I have plantar fasciitus in both feet... I have poly-cystic ovarian syndrome and cervical cancer... I have stomach ulcers...I am deaf in one ear...

*BUT*... lol... I have a strong immunity. I rarely get colds or the flu or viral/bacterial infections. I can't remember the last time I got the flu, or a 24 hour bug. Its been literally years. I am NOT a chronic handwasher. Neither is my son, who also rarely gets sick, but is not considered healthy by doctors. He was in the NICU as a baby, had a hole in his heart, jaundice, and to date still suffers with gastro-intestinal disorder, ADD, central auditory disorder, and now being tested for aspergers. *BUT*... he rarely is sick.

There definitely is a difference between being *healthy* and having a strong immunity.

[tricker]

i'm just sad that people don't let their kids eat dirt anymore..

[VindianaJones]

Originally Posted by kawichic

...um, no, I have never worked in a warehouse... and why does it seem that you like to follow my posts and then argue with me about everything?? Don't you have any hobbies, or am I one of them??

[kawichic]

Originally Posted by tricker

i'm just sad that people don't let their kids eat dirt anymore..

lol I agree 100%

[kawichic]

Originally Posted by VindianaJones

Actually No, I don't follow you around. Since you sold your bike, you've amped up your thread responce almost 100 fold. Perhaps you now need a hobby. I used to come across something you might have posted perhaps once or twice a month. Now it seems like you've overdosed on this forum as a substitute for your bike. I honestly could care less how much time you spend on here or anywhere else but you do like to enter the fray of controversy quite a bit lately ( as do I ). When I log on I always go to the new post section first. Your simply in almost every second one lately. I haven't posted anymore than I normally do, so once again I'll ask you.
Don't you have any hobbies?
On that note, I'll back on out of here and leave you alone. I wouldn't want to hurt your feelings.
One thing though.... If your going to spend so much time on here in the future entering into one thread after another asserting your opinion, then expect others to assert theirs.
I know if I assert mine then I expect to be challenged. Its all part of the forum anatomy. You might want to look that one up when you get a minute!

I think I've found my new hobby, darling... its YOU!!!! [insert evil laugh]

[Streaking Tiger]

Originally Posted by tricker

i'm just sad that people don't let their kids eat dirt anymore..

Or drink water from a garden hose...

Or eat fruit right off the tree...

Or eat veggies right out of the garden...

Or...

[sebastian1000]

Originally Posted by Jake '53

Valid, rational fears do not need to be based on imagined conspiracies. Ignorance and poor execution are not conspiracies, they're just ignorance and poor execution.

What bugs me is the inevitable correlation with rational fears and this conspiracy crap. It is a simple scapegoat to discredit these very sane fears. Why is it that when valid points are brought up, people laugh and call the person with the valid fears a nut job who is into conspiracy theories?

Ya know, people could take a look at the facts and fairly easily see that this vaccine isn't all it is touted to be. Yet when evidence is presented about a legitimate and harmful side-effect, we get the black helicopter speech. It's just plain ignorant. This is a very common tactic used by lawyers. I think most would agree that the tactic is chickenshat misdirection.

[sbc1320]

My job has offered the flu shot for a long time and I never ever get the shot. Have had the flu a time or two and just turned 50 years old a few months back. Personally I believe in letting your body build up it's own defense. Not knocking anyone that gets the flu shot as that is up to the individual.

[VindianaJones]

Originally Posted by kawichic

I think I've found my new hobby, darling... its YOU!!!! [insert evil laugh]

You know, I noticed that you do that when your talking with your B/F ( the dripping wet sarcastic thing ) Am I supposed to be worried?