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Over last weekend, I completed my first full tank of BP Premium gas after doing this mod, and my around town fuel economy was 40.9 MPG. I never really got much more than 40 MPG anyway, so I'd say that this mod hasn't affected my fuel economy in any noticeable way, which is good news to me!
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Does the standard temp sensor only detect the air temp as it travels from the left side to the right ? Or does it pick up the temp at the last point in its pathway ?
What I'm getting at is the fact that with the new right side filter of the Caddman mod installed there is a great increase of air and most of it comes from the right side which is already gonna be cooler than the stock setup. It just occurs to me that if the sensor itself was located to pickup the temp of the new right side air flow you might not need to trick the sensor with the resistor mod... What am I missing...?
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Your theory is probably correct. Since the temp sensor only measures at the exact point in the stream where it is located, it is very possible that in a completely stock setup, the air is heated up by going through the left filter and through the middle of the engine to the right side. So in theory, adding the filter on the right side already is cooling down the air.
However, Kawasaki set these bikes to lean from the getgo, so by adding the extra air, you still need a way to boost the amount of fuel going into the engine. Tricking the temp sensor is just a cheap way to do it. The proper way is still to get a PCIII or some other mod that does it the right way, but as a temporary workaround, the resistor mod will help. I would strongly advise anyone who does this mod (or any air mod) to not run their bike without somehow adjusting the fuel mixtures.
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It was just a thought I had when I first read about the resistor mod on Gadget's sight. If a low cost mod allows the bike to get more cool air it would help to relocate the sensor to pick up that change. Then the additional resistor adds to that effect.
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Thanks strictor and caddman, I've been running a K&N for awhile now and just did the resistor mod so will see how it runs. Great right up, made it a very simple mod.
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I highly recommend sticking with a filter the size of the Spectre one to keep the outer and inner lids looking the same size.
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The essential difference is that Coyote removed the left filter assembly and plastic crossover duct completely, and he uses just the right filter. This costs less, weighs less, and cleans up the bike a bit, but is twice the work to do, and can never be put back to stock without considerable effort and expense. I was concerned about two things when I first developed this mod. I didn't want hassles with the warranty or (potential) smog tests or fix-it tickets for noise abatement, so I came up with something that is easy to return to stock, should I ever need to take the bike in. Due to the wonderful reliability of my 2004 Nomad, it never did go back to the dealer once durring the warranty period (nor since) and due to the fact that our new Governator is an avid motorcyclist, I see little chance of smog checks for motorcycles in the near future. So ultimately, I could have just done the Coyote kit after all, but still I may sell the bike some day. In that case it will be returned to 100% stock, the accessories sold off on eBay, and not muc effort will be involved in the restoration. Sincerely, CaddmannQ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Cadd 2004 Nomad 1500 "Baggins" VROC #11619 Rolling Blunder #128 |
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Just read this post. I considered going the after market route but they are kind of 'spensive. Plus you have to demolish your stock air intake. After seeing your post, I'm convinced to go with the Caddmann mod- for a fully reversible solution. I've read the Gadget set of instructions, but you did a better job with the pictures. I actually understood it. As soon as I get my TFI installed, I’ll be doing the Caddmann mod- Thx a million..
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joe- I left the stock filter in place inside of the new left filter & cover to eliminate any modification of the stock system at all. I'm sure it cuts down on flow from that side, but the right side will provide all the air the bike needs, especially if you use K&N filters.
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However, I recommend against doing this using the original Spectre filters. If you use a K&N filter, it will work fine because the K&Ns are a little bit thicker and push the lid farther away from the backing plate giving the stock filter more room since it is bigger. If you try to squeeze both the stock filter and the Spectre filter under that lid, you'll be squishing the stock filter, causing the Spectre lid to bow out which would not make a tight seal against the Spectre filters. I tried this on mine and wasnt satisfied with the fit against the Spectre filter. I am convinced that that even a 1mm thicker filter would do the trick, however.
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It all depends on the filter in the spectre kit. I have got three different filters in those kits and all are manufactured differently with different wire mesh and different rubber design on the seal end. I also have noticed the lip on the lid comes in different thickeness' depending on the supplier. All sold under the Spectre name in the same packaging. Two of my filter types work fine with the stock filter underneath, so check it out before you use it. I used a small flashlight that I turned on and put inside the filter and turned the lights out in the garage to check for any leaks around the filter and baseplate.
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I guess the official verdict is "your mileage may vary" regarding using the stock filter and the Spectre filter at the same time. At the very least, the K&Ns definitely work all of the time!
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So here is a couple of questions for you all:
I have a stock 02 1500 carberated classic. Can I assume that the resisitor mod in Constrictor's walk-through is not needed as I do not have fuel injection? What other changes would I need to keep in mind on this mod with respect to the carb'd setup? I assume I would need to rejet - Anyone have any reccomendations on re-jet sizes and needle settings? How scary is the re-jet to do? I ain't the sharpest tool in the shed , but this looks pretty straight forward and I love the look. I am thinking this mod along with some HK fatties is the hot ticket for me. |
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Ken, you are correct. The resistor mod is an FI only step. I guess I should have put that in the walkthrough, I will edit it.
Carbed bikes can adjust the fuel/air mixture mechanically by rejetting. FI bikes need to do it electronically with a tuner, or a resistor which falsely changes it.
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Spock Said -
remove the rigth side cover, replace with caddmann covers, remove the left side,block off corssover tube, or not, put caddmann covers back on...thats it Spok, Did you rejet at all? I know you have aftermarket pipes, just curious if you rejetted when you re-piped or did the Caddmann? If the vulcans run lean from the factory, isn't cramming more air into them going to make them even leaner? Thanks for your input! |
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