First ride on new motorcycle ends in death for Boynton Beach man - Page 7

needburger · 06-29-2007

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Originally Posted by bretsk2500

not true at all... I did pay cash for my 250R, but I had to show insurance before I could take it off the lot... I'm riding on a permit, the dealership never asked, nor did my state farm agent when I pull full coverage on it. I've been w/ state farm for about 10 years, so they *know* I don't have an M endorsement, I only got the permit last week.

sounds like a responsible dealer. I stated that *Banks require* coverage, that's not to say that a dealer cannot ask for proof, especially if the purchase is in any form of a check. The dealer could possibly retain liability thru a legal term of "holder in due course". This could hold true on a purely cash purchase that exceeds (i believe) $3000.00 for IRS Cash Payment Transaction Declaration Form. When you said you were riding on a permit, are you refering to the temp on the bike or a temp Drivers Lic ? That's a fun bike, enjoy!

wireguy · 05-13-2008

ive said for years that just because you can buy it dont mean you can ride it !!!!!!!!

vn2kbob · 05-13-2008

Very said for the industry. Very sad for that dealership and even worse for the salesperson selling that liter bike. Something very wrong here.

flyfan · 05-13-2008

To understand the laws of the US, keep one thing in mind. FOLLOW THE MONEY. If the government can make money or a lawmaker can be influenced by a contributor, there will be regulations. If it's not profitable, they leave it alone.

SAYONARAH · 05-20-2008

I recently purchased a 2008 zx6r. I have been on a dirt bike a couple of times. When I was at the dealership, they had a left over previous year model zx10r for the same price as the zx6r. I pushed for it, thinking I would get more power for my money. THe salesman said it was not a good idea to jump into a 1000cc bike. Eventually he talked me out of it. I waited to get my msf certificate, and even now, I feel like the power is overwhelming. I am greatly thankful to Justin for advising me not to get the bigger bike. WOO HOO mid city honda.

MOTORCYCLEMARK · 05-21-2008

I have been a motorcycle rider for geez 37 years(no that's impossible, that would mean I'M FIFTY-TWO, I can't be FIFTY-TWO). I've been an MSF Instructor for 20 years. I've been a devoted lover of my Constitution for most of those 52 years. PLEASE don't try to take yet another liberty away and justify it with public good. Any law to 'improve' things limits us. By the way, in Illinois and Missouri, the only requirement to sell a car or a bike as a dealer is proof of your customer's 18th birthday having happened. All the other requirements involve financing and licensing, neither is a mandate to the seller by state government.
It is sad a rider died, but if you idiot-proof everything, idiots will survive to adulthood and voting age, do you want more idiots electing more, well, you get that, right?
Limiting bike size isn't going to stop bike accidents. If you want to equate more bike laws with gun laws, consider, it has been illegal for more than, yep FIFTY-TWO YEARS to buy or own a fully automatic gun in Illinois, yet I can stop on my way home from work tonight and buy a state of the art Uzi, or Minimac 11, cash. Should we then have another law? Those seem to work well huh?
I had a hot rod '67 Camaro and a Yamaha RD-350 when I was 17, either very capable of getting away from me and wadding up, but Darwin allowed me to operate them safely enough to survive, not helmet laws or seat belt laws. I rode on my mom's lap when I was real young and amazingly I survived without punkin' seats, probably because my dad watched the road instead of texting his buds or, I can't believe the rudeness, but have seen people clattering on keyboards while commuting from Ill to St.Louis. I had a woman in a Ridercourse once that actually told me she did crossword puzzles on her steering wheel while driving, wanna take bets on her passing my class?
One more point, to the guy who said he never needed an MSF course, I rode for 15 years before I found out from the MSF that 70 percent of my braking capacity is in my front brake. That one bit of info saved my life within the first week after I took my first course as a student. Self taught does not necessarily mean perfected.

wireguy · 05-22-2008

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Originally Posted by simon_hed

I don't want this to sound heartless; someone has lost a son/brother/father/friend. I wonder if this was his first bike? Surely he had previous riding experience. An R1?

Reminds me of a ride I was on a few years back. I was riding a 1000 gixxer among several other sport bike guys. We had stopped at a convenience store to gas up. A guy pulled into the parking lot, almost stalling a H A Y A B U S A, and obviously having a hard time piloting the beast. He had what appeared to be an older teenaged girl on the back. He came over to talk to us (ended up that I knew some of his family), and said that was his first street bike. I told him (he was 20 or so) he needed to park that thing and call someone to come get him. He said he had ridden dirt bikes before, and didn't really appreciate my concern. Honestly I was more concerned for that chick on the back than for him.

He left and pulled about an 11 second quarter mile leaving. He didn't get killed, but he did end up wrecking it several weeks later.

I am a big believer in personal responsibility. I don't depend on the government to protect me from myself. But sometimes I wonder if the Japanese method of issuing licenses is not a pretty good idea.

just because you can buy it dont mean you can ride it!

capncalyx · 05-22-2008

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Originally Posted by GAMEOVA

common sense goes a long way.....i do not have my "m" endorsement nor have i taken any msf course. But what i chose to do was to buy the bike i wanted which is my 2007 zzr 600 and learn to ride little at a time....when i say little at a time i mean no top speed runs...no high speed corners....and ABSOLUTELY NO stunts of any kind. Like i said at the beginning commonsense goes a LONG way.....crawl before walking...theres just no way around it. And btw ive yet to drop my bike or lay it down.peace

Please tell me you also choose to have insurance

JoHo22 · 05-22-2008

see, this is exactly why I give the stink-eye to the people who mock me for looking for a 250-500 at max. an R1... someone should have had some sort of intervention or a swift kick in the *** for anyone attempting to ride something with that much power and no experience...

RichLockyer · 05-22-2008

Get the 500.
It won't kill you any faster than the 250, and you won't grow out of it in 6 months.

JoHo22 · 05-22-2008

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Originally Posted by RichLockyer

Get the 500.
It won't kill you any faster than the 250, and you won't grow out of it in 6 months.

I feel ya,
just gotta find one :-/

RichLockyer · 05-22-2008

Don't overlook the 650R if you can't find a decent 500.
It's still a parallel twin and not a full race bike.

JoHo22 · 05-23-2008

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Originally Posted by RichLockyer

Don't overlook the 650R if you can't find a decent 500.
It's still a parallel twin and not a full race bike.

As true as that statement is,
There are just a few factors that scare me from anything about a 600...
The numbers will psychologically freak me.
The cost.
And since Im just a beginer, the upright sitting position will help me out cause I took my road test on a Suzuki GZ250, which is the only motorcycle ive rode thus far.

RichLockyer · 05-23-2008

Okay... but to put that in perspective, I took my MSF class on an Eliminator 125.

I rode off the dealer's lot with a Vulcan 1600 less than a week later.

As if that isn't bad enough... here's me standing next to my 1600... now picture me on the 125

azwiley1 · 05-23-2008

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Originally Posted by RichLockyer

Okay... but to put that in perspective, I took my MSF class on an Eliminator 125.

I rode off the dealer's lot with a Vulcan 1600 less than a week later.

As if that isn't bad enough... here's me standing next to my 1600... now picture me on the 125

That would be one hella picture!!!!!! LOL

RichLockyer · 05-23-2008

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Originally Posted by azwiley1

That would be one hella picture!!!!!! LOL

I had bruises on my kneecaps and chin for weeks

JoHo22 · 05-23-2008

hahaha!
the figure 8 on a 1600 could be rather demanding...
It wasnt half bad when i started to figure out the friction
zone on the suzuki.

RichLockyer · 05-23-2008

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Originally Posted by JoHo22

hahaha!
the figure 8 on a 1600 could be rather demanding...
It wasnt half bad when i started to figure out the friction
zone on the suzuki.

It's possible.
Even large cruisers can pull a 15-18ft turn if the rider is good enough.

JoHo22 · 05-23-2008

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Originally Posted by RichLockyer

It's possible.
Even large cruisers can pull a 15-18ft turn if the rider is good enough.

Ive seen it before ... didnt seem like that big a deal at the time...
then I started riding...
Yep, much respect to anyone who can.
Your balls indeed hang lower than mine.

RichLockyer · 05-23-2008

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Originally Posted by JoHo22

Ive seen it before ... didnt seem like that big a deal at the time...
then I started riding...
Yep, much respect to anyone who can.
Your balls indeed hang lower than mine.

Not as low as this guy's:
YouTube - Lanesplitting LA

05-13-2008	#122 (permalink)
wireguy Still On The Kickstand Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 30	ive said for years that just because you can buy it dont mean you can ride it !!!!!!!! __________________ 75z1 gone,76 900 ltd gone,80 1000 ltd gone77 1170,77 1428 turbo, 80 ltd 1327,74z1 1385 street turbo

05-13-2008	#123 (permalink)
vn2kbob Minimizing the Regrets! Forum Supporter Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: The Mountains of Utah Posts: 1,535	Very said for the industry. Very sad for that dealership and even worse for the salesperson selling that liter bike. Something very wrong here. __________________ Bob's '08 Mean Streak

05-13-2008	#124 (permalink)
flyfan US Submarine Force Vet Forum Supporter Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: South Jersey, on the Delaware. Posts: 42	To understand the laws of the US, keep one thing in mind. FOLLOW THE MONEY. If the government can make money or a lawmaker can be influenced by a contributor, there will be regulations. If it's not profitable, they leave it alone. __________________ True nobility is not being better than anyone else. It's being better than you were yesterday!

05-21-2008	#126 (permalink)
MOTORCYCLEMARK BIKERFERLIFE Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: COLLINSVILLE, IL Posts: 13	I have been a motorcycle rider for geez 37 years(no that's impossible, that would mean I'M FIFTY-TWO, I can't be FIFTY-TWO). I've been an MSF Instructor for 20 years. I've been a devoted lover of my Constitution for most of those 52 years. PLEASE don't try to take yet another liberty away and justify it with public good. Any law to 'improve' things limits us. By the way, in Illinois and Missouri, the only requirement to sell a car or a bike as a dealer is proof of your customer's 18th birthday having happened. All the other requirements involve financing and licensing, neither is a mandate to the seller by state government. It is sad a rider died, but if you idiot-proof everything, idiots will survive to adulthood and voting age, do you want more idiots electing more, well, you get that, right? Limiting bike size isn't going to stop bike accidents. If you want to equate more bike laws with gun laws, consider, it has been illegal for more than, yep FIFTY-TWO YEARS to buy or own a fully automatic gun in Illinois, yet I can stop on my way home from work tonight and buy a state of the art Uzi, or Minimac 11, cash. Should we then have another law? Those seem to work well huh? I had a hot rod '67 Camaro and a Yamaha RD-350 when I was 17, either very capable of getting away from me and wadding up, but Darwin allowed me to operate them safely enough to survive, not helmet laws or seat belt laws. I rode on my mom's lap when I was real young and amazingly I survived without punkin' seats, probably because my dad watched the road instead of texting his buds or, I can't believe the rudeness, but have seen people clattering on keyboards while commuting from Ill to St.Louis. I had a woman in a Ridercourse once that actually told me she did crossword puzzles on her steering wheel while driving, wanna take bets on her passing my class? One more point, to the guy who said he never needed an MSF course, I rode for 15 years before I found out from the MSF that 70 percent of my braking capacity is in my front brake. That one bit of info saved my life within the first week after I took my first course as a student. Self taught does not necessarily mean perfected. Last edited by MOTORCYCLEMARK : 05-21-2008 at 06:52 PM. Reason: left out a word

05-22-2008	#130 (permalink)
RichLockyer Patriot Guardian Extreme Forum Supporter Join Date: May 2006 Location: Chino, CA Posts: 20,067	Get the 500. It won't kill you any faster than the 250, and you won't grow out of it in 6 months. __________________ - Rich 2006 1600 Classic Member CORVA, BRC Patriot Guard Rider

05-20-2008	#125 (permalink)
SAYONARAH Newbie Join Date: May 2008 Location: SO CAL Posts: 8	I recently purchased a 2008 zx6r. I have been on a dirt bike a couple of times. When I was at the dealership, they had a left over previous year model zx10r for the same price as the zx6r. I pushed for it, thinking I would get more power for my money. THe salesman said it was not a good idea to jump into a 1000cc bike. Eventually he talked me out of it. I waited to get my msf certificate, and even now, I feel like the power is overwhelming. I am greatly thankful to Justin for advising me not to get the bigger bike. WOO HOO mid city honda.

05-22-2008	#129 (permalink)
JoHo22 Uber Noob BTK Beginner Join Date: May 2008 Location: Orchard Park, NY Posts: 41	see, this is exactly why I give the stink-eye to the people who mock me for looking for a 250-500 at max. an R1... someone should have had some sort of intervention or a swift kick in the *** for anyone attempting to ride something with that much power and no experience...

05-22-2008	#132 (permalink)
RichLockyer Patriot Guardian Extreme Forum Supporter Join Date: May 2006 Location: Chino, CA Posts: 20,067	Don't overlook the 650R if you can't find a decent 500. It's still a parallel twin and not a full race bike. __________________ - Rich 2006 1600 Classic Member CORVA, BRC Patriot Guard Rider

05-23-2008	#134 (permalink)
RichLockyer Patriot Guardian Extreme Forum Supporter Join Date: May 2006 Location: Chino, CA Posts: 20,067	Okay... but to put that in perspective, I took my MSF class on an Eliminator 125. I rode off the dealer's lot with a Vulcan 1600 less than a week later. As if that isn't bad enough... here's me standing next to my 1600... now picture me on the 125 __________________ - Rich 2006 1600 Classic Member CORVA, BRC Patriot Guard Rider

05-23-2008	#137 (permalink)
JoHo22 Uber Noob BTK Beginner Join Date: May 2008 Location: Orchard Park, NY Posts: 41	hahaha! the figure 8 on a 1600 could be rather demanding... It wasnt half bad when i started to figure out the friction zone on the suzuki.