Experienced Rider Course

MarcusCSR · 03-01-2005

What do people think about the experienced rider course offered by msf? I'm pretty sure I'm gonna take it, and I'm trying to get people here at work to take it with me (to save us all $15) but no one seems interested. Is it worth the $85 for me to take it alone?

Marcus

03SSgt-1 · 03-01-2005

I took it through my base (lackland afb) for free. I enjoyed it. Teaches you how to control your bike more by shifting your weight than by using your hands. Not sure if I'd pay $85 for it, cause I'm a cheap military *******, but thats me

brancher · 03-01-2005

Over here, I hear the experienced riders course is basically the MSF course, but instead of the Honda 250's and such, you use you own bike. Lots of folks like the regular msf course since the u-turns and stuff is easier using the smaller bikes.

I personally think the esperienced riders' course has value - you can always learn something extra.

Green Knight · 03-01-2005

When I blew through the basic course I always thought I wanted to take it. But I doubt I will. I'll prolly spend about $300 and take a good racing school. I'll learn more advanced riding and it will apply a lot more to my style.

Mr_Lycos · 03-01-2005

$85?! It cost $350 in Upstate NY!

*jukief* · 03-01-2005

It's only $55 here. Geesh! One of my friends who's an MSF instructor has arranged to teach it for my motorcycle club. We get a special price of $45, so hubby and I are both taking it. From what she told me, a lot of the skills are the same, but there are a few things that are different from the beginner course, like doing the swerves with one hand (that sounds like fun). The box for the figure 8 is bigger, too, since most people's bikes are longer than the little 125s.

If you can set up a course somehow and practice those skills on your own, then you don't need to spend the money. But it's easier for me to do the course with an instructor who knows what she's doing and to have everything laid out for me. I've done some practicing in an empty parking lot, but it's not the same.

T-man · 03-01-2005

Julie: did you learn any more than the Palladino video on slow speed turns using combinations of clutch friction zone and rear brake application?

Green Knight · 03-01-2005

Wow, if it costs more than $300 to take the advanced course its not worth it. Even if you ride a cruiser go take a better class. You can go to one of Keith Codes classes for about $250. They even have full dress Gold Wings go through some of his classes. You'll learn a lot more than what they'll teach you at any advanced MSF course.

MotoLappa · 03-01-2005

$150 to take it in PA

*ispeed77* · 03-02-2005

never even heard of it around here. the basic one is at least $300, so if there is an advanced one, it is probably around the same. for that money, i too would go for the racing classes

pitbull76 · 03-02-2005

Man, I am so glad that the MSF classes are only $20.00 in Illinois. I just signed up for the ERC, and they even offer it in one of my workplace's parking lots!!

Calamarichris · 03-02-2005

Just seeing this thread made me curious, so I called up and learned that a Harley club had scheduled a class near me for Mar 26th. It was only $75, which is a bargain compared to learning to walk with a cane or starring in a nice funeral. After 250,000+ miles of riding, I'll bet there's still junk to learn.
So I'll wear this suit with this bike and earn that 'spect from my Hog classmates-yo!

-CCinC

*jukief* · 03-02-2005

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Originally Posted by T-man

Julie: did you learn any more than the Palladino video on slow speed turns using combinations of clutch friction zone and rear brake application?

I haven't taken the class yet, T-man, but when I do I'll let you know.

w650rider · 03-10-2005

ERC taught me a few things, as my slow speed skills were poor.

*ispeed77* · 03-10-2005

welcome to the forum w650rider, glad the course was able to help you out.

*jukief* · 03-10-2005

Nice to see you here, w650rider. That's exactly why I'm taking the ERC--to improve my slow-speed skills. Yes, I can go out in a parking lot and practice by myself. But the instructor who's teaching the class I'm taking taught my beginning rider course, and she was really great at pointing out things you do wrong and giving you tips to correct them. It makes a big difference for me to have someone watching what I'm doing, then offering constructive criticism. I feel extremely comfortable riding my bike, but I want to be able to handle figure 8s and tight turns without hesitation.

Bud · 03-11-2005

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Originally Posted by ispeed77

never even heard of it around here. the basic one is at least $300, so if there is an advanced one, it is probably around the same. for that money, i too would go for the racing classes

I heard that they couldn't find a reason to have one in your state. That if a rider could dodge all the potholes, survive riding through all the construction sites, and didn't get killled enroute by radical drivers, that there just wasn't anything else to teach !!!!!! In other words, every rider that could make it to the training site was ALREADY an expert !!! LOL

*ispeed77* · 03-11-2005

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Originally Posted by Bud

I heard that they couldn't find a reason to have one in your state. That if a rider could dodge all the potholes, survive riding through all the construction sites, and didn't get killled enroute by radical drivers, that there just wasn't anything else to teach !!!!!! In other words, every rider that could make it to the training site was ALREADY an expert !!! LOL

WOW, what a great point Bud, so i see you have been here before !!!

nathan600r · 03-12-2005

I'd never take those kind of courses again. My bike was an 80 honda twinstar with NO REAR BRAKE and a front brake the would lock up if you used more than 1/8th of the lever.

Green Knight · 03-13-2005

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Originally Posted by nathan600r

I'd never take those kind of courses again. My bike was an 80 honda twinstar with NO REAR BRAKE and a front brake the would lock up if you used more than 1/8th of the lever.

That can't be safe to drive...

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MarcusCSR Still On The Kickstand Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Phoenix (East Valley), Arizona Posts: 36	Experienced Rider Course What do people think about the experienced rider course offered by msf? I'm pretty sure I'm gonna take it, and I'm trying to get people here at work to take it with me (to save us all $15) but no one seems interested. Is it worth the $85 for me to take it alone? Marcus

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03SSgt-1 Still On The Kickstand Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 32	I took it through my base (lackland afb) for free. I enjoyed it. Teaches you how to control your bike more by shifting your weight than by using your hands. Not sure if I'd pay $85 for it, cause I'm a cheap military *****, but thats me __________________ 2003 Ford Mustang GT Black 2005 Kawasaki Ninja ZX-6R Silver Just because my bike can do wheelies, doesn't mean I will...**

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jukief I miss you, Deron Extreme Forum Supporter Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Fort Collins, CO Posts: 18,141	It's only $55 here. Geesh! One of my friends who's an MSF instructor has arranged to teach it for my motorcycle club. We get a special price of $45, so hubby and I are both taking it. From what she told me, a lot of the skills are the same, but there are a few things that are different from the beginner course, like doing the swerves with one hand (that sounds like fun). The box for the figure 8 is bigger, too, since most people's bikes are longer than the little 125s. If you can set up a course somehow and practice those skills on your own, then you don't need to spend the money. But it's easier for me to do the course with an instructor who knows what she's doing and to have everything laid out for me. I've done some practicing in an empty parking lot, but it's not the same. __________________ In memory of my friend Deron Harden. Life isn't going to be the same without him.

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T-man Deerslayer & BTK Expert Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Maryville, TN Posts: 1,266	Julie: did you learn any more than the Palladino video on slow speed turns using combinations of clutch friction zone and rear brake application? __________________ T-man VROC #12333 2005 V2K Ltd 2001 1500 Classic FI http://www.geocities.com/tensman_99/mcpics.html

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Green Knight Banned BTK Expert Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Mason City, IA Posts: 1,803	When I blew through the basic course I always thought I wanted to take it. But I doubt I will. I'll prolly spend about $300 and take a good racing school. I'll learn more advanced riding and it will apply a lot more to my style.

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Mr_Lycos Wants better weather! BTK Expert Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Carthage, NY Posts: 950	$85?! It cost $350 in Upstate NY!

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Green Knight Banned BTK Expert Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Mason City, IA Posts: 1,803	Wow, if it costs more than $300 to take the advanced course its not worth it. Even if you ride a cruiser go take a better class. You can go to one of Keith Codes classes for about $250. They even have full dress Gold Wings go through some of his classes. You'll learn a lot more than what they'll teach you at any advanced MSF course.

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MotoLappa Top Gear Full Throttle BTK Expert Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Lancaster, PA Posts: 306	$150 to take it in PA __________________ 04 Mean Streak Custom Paint 03 ZX6R custom painted. Sold (avatar) LTZ400

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ispeed77 RIP Deron Harden :-( Extreme Forum Supporter Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Gardner, MA Posts: 30,712	never even heard of it around here. the basic one is at least $300, so if there is an advanced one, it is probably around the same. for that money, i too would go for the racing classes __________________ In loving memory of Deron Harden, forever in our thoughts :-(

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pitbull76 Cruising In Fourth Gear BTK Intermediate Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Montgomery, IL (SW Chicago suburbs) Posts: 213	Man, I am so glad that the MSF classes are only $20.00 in Illinois. I just signed up for the ERC, and they even offer it in one of my workplace's parking lots!! __________________ 1994 ZX6E -Mike

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Calamarichris Banned BTK Expert Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Carlsbad, CA Posts: 607	Just seeing this thread made me curious, so I called up and learned that a Harley club had scheduled a class near me for Mar 26th. It was only $75, which is a bargain compared to learning to walk with a cane or starring in a nice funeral. After 250,000+ miles of riding, I'll bet there's still junk to learn. So I'll wear this suit with this bike and earn that 'spect from my Hog classmates-yo! -CCinC

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w650rider Newbie Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Kansas City area Posts: 2	ERC taught me a few things, as my slow speed skills were poor.

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ispeed77 RIP Deron Harden :-( Extreme Forum Supporter Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Gardner, MA Posts: 30,712	welcome to the forum w650rider, glad the course was able to help you out. __________________ In loving memory of Deron Harden, forever in our thoughts :-(

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jukief I miss you, Deron Extreme Forum Supporter Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Fort Collins, CO Posts: 18,141	Nice to see you here, w650rider. That's exactly why I'm taking the ERC--to improve my slow-speed skills. Yes, I can go out in a parking lot and practice by myself. But the instructor who's teaching the class I'm taking taught my beginning rider course, and she was really great at pointing out things you do wrong and giving you tips to correct them. It makes a big difference for me to have someone watching what I'm doing, then offering constructive criticism. I feel extremely comfortable riding my bike, but I want to be able to handle figure 8s and tight turns without hesitation. __________________ In memory of my friend Deron Harden. Life isn't going to be the same without him.

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nathan600r Banned BTK Expert Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Why do you care? Posts: 302	I'd never take those kind of courses again. My bike was an 80 honda twinstar with NO REAR BRAKE and a front brake the would lock up if you used more than 1/8th of the lever.

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