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absolute best sport tourer

bluescruise
09-27-2009, 08:32 PM
I know there is no such thing but.... if money was not the issue what are some choices for a 2up sport tourer?

NCDave
09-28-2009, 10:28 AM
I personally prefer the yamaha FJR, but that's because I'm more sport oriented. All of them are comfortable and versatile. What are you wanting out a ST?

cmptrmn.1
09-28-2009, 11:02 AM
FJR wins for all around riding. Now, are you talking about a touring bike or a sport tourer?

rbentnail
09-28-2009, 11:35 AM
I checked when shopping for new and still do so when the chances are available. Definitely the FJR, no doubt.

NCDave
09-28-2009, 11:52 AM
I checked when shopping for new and still do so when the chances are available. Definitely the FJR, no doubt.

:stopit: Pure unadulterated BIAS!!!!! :biggrin:

xxxxxxxxxanamosity
09-28-2009, 11:55 AM
Of course I am very biased, but nothing beats the ZX14 turned into a sport tourer with hard bags, speed and comfort all rolled up into one attractive machine.

rbentnail
09-28-2009, 12:26 PM
:stopit: Pure unadulterated BIAS!!!!! :biggrin::newyear2:
I thoroughly checked out the red C14 again the other week whilst over in Durham. IMO still too tall and too top heavy, and still not the bike for me. But to each his own. Anyone who takes my word for it and doesn't check out all the options for himself is making a big mistake. But as for the original question...

I know there is no such thing but.... if money was not the issue what are some choices for a 2up sport tourer?

...BMW, Honda, Kawasaki and Yamaha all make very capable machines. As for 2 up riding, I wouldn't know. My wife hates riding so her comfort wasn't a consideration when I was shopping.

NCDave
09-28-2009, 12:44 PM
For more comfort for the passenger, you might want to consider some of the bikes on the tour side of Sport-touring.

The Honda ST1300 is a great one. You can't beat Honda engineering. I understand that their plan is to replace the ST1300 with a variation on the new VFR1200 though, much like Kawi did with the ZX14 and C-14.

BMW K1300 GT is also a nice one. Put a trunk box on it with a backrest and I'd bet your passenger would be good for all day.

V2K_CCTX
09-28-2009, 01:36 PM
Of course I am very biased, but nothing beats the ZX14 turned into a sport tourer with hard bags, speed and comfort all rolled up into one attractive machine.

+100

NCDave
09-28-2009, 01:52 PM
...for 2-up riding? The ZX14 is probably a fun and comfortable ride, but no way my wife would go for that. :eek:

V2K_CCTX
09-28-2009, 01:58 PM
the C-14 is not all that more comfy than the ZX14

NCDave
09-28-2009, 02:02 PM
I'm thinking specifically about passenger comfort though. I'm sure I could have fun on either if I was solo. My suggestions above were more related to 2-up as well, knowing what my wife would be comfortable on and what she wouldn't. Plus factoring in that I would never be happy on something that's too far on the "tour" side. :)

V2K_CCTX
09-28-2009, 02:13 PM
the FJR is supposed to be a nice ride, but I dont know about the AT thing (auto tranny)

rbentnail
09-28-2009, 02:31 PM
the FJR is supposed to be a nice ride, but I dont know about the AT thing (auto tranny)
A common misconception. It is NOT an auto tranny. You must still shift gears either with the the shifter lever or a paddle switch near the left grip. And it is an option- you can still get the "traditional" clutch lever setup.

Everyone I've read about who has the AE model (electric clutch/no clutch lever) loves it.

Bubba68CS
09-28-2009, 02:58 PM
I thoroughly checked out the red C14 again the other week whilst over in Durham. IMO still too tall and too top heavy, and still not the bike for me.

That is what kept me from getting one. The FJR felt a lot better to me...

But oddly enough, despite only being a little shorter...the ZX-14 felt about perfect. I agonized over the FJR vs ZX-14 decision...ultimately going with the ZX-14 (basically a coin flip, I'm not even kidding), but if I had a passenger to consider, I may have gone the other direction.

NCDave
09-28-2009, 03:02 PM
do you have bags and everything for it? have you put a taller shield on it, or still stock?

bross
09-28-2009, 05:19 PM
This is very comfortable for munching miles:

http://faithcottage.smugmug.com/photos/110832682_SVB4W-L.jpg

electric windshield, cruise control, heated seats (rider & pillion); heated grips and the best part, it only weighs 500lbs. It looks like a big bike but it weighs a lot *less* than the FJR and ST. One other benefit of the RT is that they tend to get way better mileage than either of the other sport tourers. I would average 60-62mph on trips and absolutely thrashing it around town 52-55mpg. It's also easy on tires, I averaged 15-16,000 kms on a set of tires. Never owned one, but I believe the FJRs eat rear tires don't they? All that power is fun but comes at a cost.

stickboy
09-28-2009, 05:53 PM
Of course I am very biased, but nothing beats the ZX14 turned into a sport tourer with hard bags, speed and comfort all rolled up into one attractive machine.

Are crisp bags the same as hard bags??? :biggrin:

stickboy
09-28-2009, 06:05 PM
I know the Honda STs are pretty hard on rear tires due to their weight and power (735ish dry). The position is pretty comfortable though, and with the right aftermarket gear (I had a Russel Day-Long seat and a Givi top trunk with a gel backrest) the bike is a really comfy ride.

I found this review on the internet a little while back and thought it gave a pretty good comparison between the 4 big ST bikes. It's based on the 2008 models, but I think they are all fundamentally the same. I know the ST1300 and the C-14 are pretty much the same anyways.
2008 Super Sport-Touring Comparo - Touring Motorcycle Comparison Review - Motorcycle USA (http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/12/539/Motorcycle-Article/2008-Super-Sport-Touring-Comparo.aspx)

Bubba68CS
09-28-2009, 08:30 PM
do you have bags and everything for it? have you put a taller shield on it, or still stock?

I have Givi bags on my ZX-14 (along with the quick release brackets). Haven't needed a taller screen until lately as the weather has been getting colder (not cold...but colder). I'll be looking into one here pretty quick I think...I spent my entire 200 mile commute in a tuck today because I was an idiot and thought a tshirt would be plenty under my jacket (it wasn't :nopity: ).

skip
09-28-2009, 10:03 PM
The Honda ST1300 is supposed to be a good 2 up bike but the FJR rules the roost!!! Well it does for me anyway. The Connie was a nice ride but was too tall and didn't handle as well as the FJR. Read the 2008 sport touring shootout. May answer some of your questions. They're all good bikes IMO.

rbentnail
09-28-2009, 10:34 PM
It's also easy on tires, I averaged 15-16,000 kms on a set of tires. Never owned one, but I believe the FJRs eat rear tires don't they? All that power is fun but comes at a cost.
Tire life for me depends on a few things: right hand twisty thing, tire pressure, suspension setup and the mfr of the tire. Softer tires (Shinko Advance 005) lasted 4000 miles and stuck like glue but dual compounds (Pirelli Diablo Strada) lasts 8-10,000 and is more than adequate in the twisties and on wet roads. The front tends to last as long as 2 rears for me. I've never tried Michelin's 2CT tires. YMMV.

As far as mpg's, I get 42-44 thrashing it and 48-51 on longer trips at 55-65 mph. Like most bikes I've ridden, the mileage tends to drop a bit to the mid-40's when running 75-90 for extended periods.

Jonesingfor650r
09-28-2009, 10:36 PM
:newyear2:
My wife hates riding so her comfort wasn't a consideration when I was shopping.

Is it ever?

rbentnail
09-28-2009, 10:40 PM
Is it ever?
LOL! Yeah, sometimes. Only not when it concerns my bike. As the old saying goes, "A happy wife is a happy household".

Jonesingfor650r
09-28-2009, 10:44 PM
LOL! Yeah, sometimes. Only not when it concerns my bike. As the old saying goes, "A happy wife is a happy household".

Once again I have to ask, is it ever? If so you are one good man.

northernman
09-28-2009, 11:35 PM
C14 !

rbentnail
09-28-2009, 11:47 PM
Once again I have to ask, is it ever? If so you are one good man.
LMAO!! Yeah, sometimes I pay her a to go visit a friend at the coast overnight. She's happy b/c she got a little extra money to play and the household is happy b/c we get peace and quiet for a day. It's been a running gag for us for years.

Heath3n
09-29-2009, 03:29 AM
If money wasn't an issue? The BMW K1300GT hands down, period, end of subject. :)

Runner ups? (in order of preference)
Yamaha FJR 1300
Kawi C14
Honda ST1300 (which is rumored for some changes for 2010)
Honda VFR1200 (Rumored for 2010..has chain drive though)
Suzuki Bandit 1250 (Faired version..chain drive also)

V2K_CCTX
09-29-2009, 09:56 AM
+1 on the Beemer

bross
09-29-2009, 10:10 AM
If money wasn't an issue? The BMW K1300GT hands down, period, end of subject. :)

Runner ups? (in order of preference)
Yamaha FJR 1300
Kawi C14
Honda ST1300 (which is rumored for some changes for 2010)
Honda VFR1200 (Rumored for 2010..has chain drive though)
Suzuki Bandit 1250 (Faired version..chain drive also)
Current VFR is chain, but the new one is definitely a shaftie.

V2K_CCTX
09-29-2009, 12:32 PM
My first criteria in a bike is how it fits my body....the old adage of what weapon is the deadliest....the one youre most proficent with. A .22 in the hands of a pro is deadlier than a .44 wiht no control....

I like to find the bike that pleases me in form fit and function (with lots of HP too)

NCDave
09-29-2009, 12:48 PM
nahhhh...you think too much. I get the one that looks prettiest! :biggrin:

V2K_CCTX
09-29-2009, 01:30 PM
^^^^ I do that with women, but bikes have to be functional and trustworthy...can you every trust a "woman" though both can be fun to ride!

NCDave
09-29-2009, 02:53 PM
well, you do have a point. :biggrin:

V2K_CCTX
09-29-2009, 02:55 PM
thanks

Bubba68CS
09-29-2009, 04:41 PM
I spent my entire 200 mile commute in a tuck today

My neck is sore :frown: ZG Sport Touring Shield is now ordered. Not sure about the looks, but the whole idea is function at this point.

trikebubble
09-29-2009, 08:00 PM
My neck is sore :frown: ZG Sport Touring Shield is now ordered. Not sure about the looks, but the whole idea is function at this point.

I'm thinking I may get my hands on a Laminar Lip next year and try to fit it to the Puig DB for touring purposes. Either that, or ride faster......and get there sooner. :D

Bubba68CS
09-29-2009, 08:30 PM
I'm thinking I may get my hands on a Laminar Lip next year and try to fit it to the Puig DB for touring purposes. Either that, or ride faster......and get there sooner. :D

Just watch out for the shock waves...probably get some noise complaints if you run near residential areas ;)

bluescruise
09-29-2009, 09:50 PM
I have vulcan classic 1500 and have been riding longer and longer distances
2up I guess what I'm wondering is; in a modern design bike like fjr or st1300 or the bmw rt are they as comfortable for long distance '2up' riding as say a nomad or roadking etc.

I'm not unhappy with the comfort of my bike neither is my wife but I'm curious about other bikes

bross
09-29-2009, 10:45 PM
I have vulcan classic 1500 and have been riding longer and longer distances
2up I guess what I'm wondering is; in a modern design bike like fjr or st1300 or the bmw rt are they as comfortable for long distance '2up' riding as say a nomad or roadking etc.

I'm not unhappy with the comfort of my bike neither is my wife but I'm curious about other bikes
I don't think they'd necessarily be any more comfortable, I think it boils down to your riding style. A sport tourer provides comfort for long days but also is fun when the road gets twisty. A cruiser provides the comfort but is limited on a twisty road. Nothing wrong with cruisers at all, they just provide a more laid back ride that's all. I honestly thought I would always be riding a cruiser, until I rode the RT for a month, back to back with my MeanStreak. I fell in love with the handling of a sport tourer.

northernman
09-29-2009, 11:04 PM
I don't think they'd necessarily be any more comfortable, I think it boils down to your riding style. A sport tourer provides comfort for long days but also is fun when the road gets twisty. A cruiser provides the comfort but is limited on a twisty road. Nothing wrong with cruisers at all, they just provide a more laid back ride that's all. I honestly thought I would always be riding a cruiser, until I rode the RT for a month, back to back with my MeanStreak. I fell in love with the handling of a sport tourer.

Welcome to the Dark side.........................maybe the force be with you........:tongue:

bross
09-30-2009, 10:04 AM
Welcome to the Dark side.........................maybe the force be with you........:tongue:
No way am I running a car tire on the CBF! :tongue:

NCDave
09-30-2009, 10:11 AM
I was just reading about a guy who was running one on his Concours. I can't imagine, but he seems to think it's the cat's meow.

V2K_CCTX
09-30-2009, 10:46 AM
huh, and a C-14??? egads....

northernman
09-30-2009, 10:46 AM
No way am I running a car tire on the CBF! :tongue:

No, the CBF is the darside.....you are a convert from cruisers.
Now you ride a sporty style, next you will want a full super sport.
Then that measly GSXR 1K will seem to slow, so you will turbo it, and ride in in just shorts and flip flops.
You are on the path to destruction...............Resistance is futile..........:newyear:

NCDave
09-30-2009, 10:47 AM
No, it was a c-10.

Jonesingfor650r
09-30-2009, 10:45 PM
LMAO!! Yeah, sometimes I pay her a to go visit a friend at the coast overnight. She's happy b/c she got a little extra money to play and the household is happy b/c we get peace and quiet for a day. It's been a running gag for us for years.

Oh dear, what great things I have to look forward to in life. Its easy just being 17 haha.

bross
09-30-2009, 10:48 PM
Oh dear, what great things I have to look forward to in life. Its easy just being 17 haha.
You bet you do, life's way better when you share it. :D

http://faithcottage.smugmug.com/photos/110695869_ns9rA-L.jpg

Jonesingfor650r
09-30-2009, 10:50 PM
^yeah I'm working on that actually haha

rbentnail
10-01-2009, 04:56 PM
Oh dear, what great things I have to look forward to in life. Its easy just being 17 haha.
Oh yeah, great things is right. Everything's better when injected with humor.

billdean
10-01-2009, 07:38 PM
In my humble opinion I would think a goldwing or (on a smaller version) a fjr or st1300.

northernman
10-01-2009, 08:48 PM
In my humble opinion I would think a goldwing or (on a smaller version) a fjr or st1300.

Moped, mini bikes, smart cars, CBR125, ninja 250.:newyear:

Jonesingfor650r
10-01-2009, 08:49 PM
Oh yeah, great things is right. Everything's better when injected with humor.

lol, my life is injected with humor, I can be yelled at by someone and start cracking up about it, I don't know why haha.

rbentnail
10-01-2009, 10:21 PM
lol, my life is injected with humor, I can be yelled at by someone and start cracking up about it, I don't know why haha.
Let's see if if works:

WHAT THE **** ARE YOU DOING RIDING LIKE THAT? DONTCHA KNOW YER GONNA KILL YOURSELF? **** YOUNGIN'S GOT NO SENSE, I TELL YA!!

Was it good for you too? :lol::lol:

Jonesingfor650r
10-01-2009, 10:26 PM
^ If only more high school users were around, I'd make a "thats what she said" joke about that last sentence. And yeah that made me laugh quite a bit.

rbentnail
10-01-2009, 10:46 PM
^ If only more high school users were around, I'd make a "thats what she said" joke about that last sentence. And yeah that made me laugh quite a bit.

Life is good!

bross
10-02-2009, 10:12 AM
Get off my grass! :mad:

http://www.curbly.com/uploads/photos/0000/0001/3988/grizzled_old_man_large.jpg










:mrgreen:

V2K_CCTX
10-02-2009, 01:01 PM
now i feel tired too

billdean
10-02-2009, 01:03 PM
Did'nt you ask what the best 2 up sporttouring bike was? Oh, I did leave out the cony, sorry if I made a mistake. billd

rbentnail
10-02-2009, 05:32 PM
Did'nt you ask what the best 2 up sporttouring bike was? Oh, I did leave out the cony, sorry if I made a mistake. billd
That's ok, bd, I didn't mind ;). That bike was crossed off my short list long ago.

skewterdewd
10-02-2009, 09:37 PM
I know there is no such thing but.... if money was not the issue what are some choices for a 2up sport tourer?

Depending on which day I won the lottery...

Guzzi Stelvio
Triumph 1050 sprint st
Triumph Tiger
Yamwow FJR
K12r sport (now extinct in the US)
c14 (love the looks, but man, the connie is one wide beast!)
Ducati Multi S

msa1956
10-03-2009, 07:29 AM
Tire life for me depends on a few things: right hand twisty thing, tire pressure, suspension setup and the mfr of the tire. Softer tires (Shinko Advance 005) lasted 4000 miles and stuck like glue but dual compounds (Pirelli Diablo Strada) lasts 8-10,000 and is more than adequate in the twisties and on wet roads. The front tends to last as long as 2 rears for me. I've never tried Michelin's 2CT tires. YMMV.

As far as mpg's, I get 42-44 thrashing it and 48-51 on longer trips at 55-65 mph. Like most bikes I've ridden, the mileage tends to drop a bit to the mid-40's when running 75-90 for extended periods.

The Shinko tires you tried should of been the 009 Ravens so far on my C14 they are great.

NCDave
10-03-2009, 09:41 AM
How many miles on the Ravens so far????

skewterdewd
10-03-2009, 11:17 AM
The Shinko tires you tried should of been the 009 Ravens so far on my C14 they are great.

And a steal of a deal as well.

The Vol-can
10-05-2009, 11:26 PM
I checked when shopping for new and still do so when the chances are available. Definitely the FJR, no doubt.

:stopit: Pure unadulterated BIAS!!!!! :biggrin:

But well informed, no doubt!8)

razorbacksrule
10-06-2009, 12:29 PM
The Suzuki Vstrom 1000 is an extremely comfortable sport tourer . Its tall but all day comfortable .

NCDave
10-06-2009, 12:32 PM
...and with a lowering kit, it's very managable. The engine's power delivery is terrific too!

msa1956
10-08-2009, 01:29 PM
I know my friend has them on his bandit and is over 11000 miles on the rear. i just put mine on and have over 300 miles on them so far so good.

NCDave
10-08-2009, 01:49 PM
good to know...thanks!

rbentnail
10-09-2009, 10:15 PM
The Shinko tires you tried should of been the 009 Ravens so far on my C14 they are great.
If they cost more than $65 installed they're not worth it. They are too many other tires out there that are a better value.

MLKN
10-12-2009, 04:32 AM
So not to go too off topic, what is a good set of tires for a C14.

average temp. 15-20'c about 60-65'f
highway driving is 90%+ of use.

RMC_SS_LDO
10-12-2009, 09:36 AM
An awful lot of FJR fans here, you'd think I had wandered onto a Yamaha site!

The original question is a bit subjective. I opted for the C14 since it felt more comfortable than the others (including the FJR) with the riding position and the C14 was better balanced IMHO. Some have said the C14 is too tall, but that was a selling point for me since it provided a less tucked (more standard) riding position. The bike handles very well at all speeds and feels very nimble (even at parking lot speeds). I have purchased a taller windshield for long-haul trips and when the mercury drops. I really wish they had offered electronic cruise and a few other options; not sure why they were overlooked. After a few long trips, I have no buyers remorse.

I had no brand loyalty to any of the bikes I was shopping since I came off a HD Electraglide. The C14 also was better looking side-by-side to me!

Now since the original post also said money was no object, then I would have to ride the BMW K1300 to see for sure that it was really worth the extra $8k. I seriously doubt it, but I would at least look at them a little more seriously.

northernman
10-12-2009, 01:17 PM
An awful lot of FJR fans here, you'd think I had wandered onto a Yamaha site!

The original question is a bit subjective. I opted for the C14 since it felt more comfortable than the others (including the FJR) with the riding position and the C14 was better balanced IMHO. Some have said the C14 is too tall, but that was a selling point for me since it provided a less tucked (more standard) riding position. The bike handles very well at all speeds and feels very nimble (even at parking lot speeds). I have purchased a taller windshield for long-haul trips and when the mercury drops. I really wish they had offered electronic cruise and a few other options; not sure why they were overlooked. After a few long trips, I have no buyers remorse.

I had no brand loyalty to any of the bikes I was shopping since I came off a HD Electraglide. The C14 also was better looking side-by-side to me!

Now since the original post also said money was no object, then I would have to ride the BMW K1300 to see for sure that it was really worth the extra $8k. I seriously doubt it, but I would at least look at them a little more seriously.

I am like you, really no brand loyalty, I have owned almsot everyting, except maybe a royal enfield, and a BSA.

I like them all, and think also all makers make at least one bike that is pure garbage.

I bought the C14 as I felt it was the best sport touring bike made.
I added a laminar lip to the windshield, and got rid of the stock tires early on as they are junk.

Now with 17,800 kms on my 2009 C14, I love it.

I just spooned some new Kendas onto it a couple weeks ago to replace my worn out Michelins.

I really like these as well.

http://www.cedarrapidstire.com/home.php?cat=141&js=n