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First bike...kz1000???

Wez
04-06-2017, 08:07 PM
Why not?? I found an 81 kz1000.....and i plan to try and kill myself lol, jk.....any reasons why i should or shouldn't bring this gem back to life?

RoadRunner322
04-06-2017, 08:30 PM
It's a powerful bike for a beginner but not so terribly heavy. Go for it. I learned to ride when I bought a new CB350 Honda way back in 1971. Get a manual and ask all the questions you need to on the forum. There are some knowlegeable guys on the forum.

Wez
04-06-2017, 08:50 PM
Thanks sho much for the encouragement! I handle the Nova i built like a champ......and I've rebuilt can am 175, and Honda cr250 both 81s....they were prequels to my fetish with tinkering.

I want to build a kz1000 too nearly exact as the bike on my avatar....different seat tho....

I found a kz1000 for $600 and its all there. I wondering if i should hop on it and never look back and build a dream stunt bike/cruiser....some guys at work suggest using any old kz, but after they told me the stories of the torque/gearing the bike has.....it really sounds like a fun project....

martin-csr
04-07-2017, 08:47 AM
A KZ1000 for $600. If it isn't a rusted heap, then Yes. yes. yes.
If I were to get one, I would bring it back to stock or nearly stock condition.
The costs for me would probably be in the $2000 range. maybe a little less, but probably a few hundred $$$ more.
It adds up fast.





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Wez
04-07-2017, 01:22 PM
Im fine with rust, i just don't want to completely rebuild a motor, with machine work etc.

It's a CSR model, is the LTB better?

I'm set on the clone with mods.

Can you identify the wheels from my avatar? Im thinking this would be the biggest expense. Also ill need a Vetter Fairing

martin-csr
04-07-2017, 05:44 PM
Is that avatar from Mad Max? The 1000-M CSR & 1000-K Ltd models are very similar to each other.
The CSR has 48-spoke wire wheels w aluminum rims, while the Ltd has 7-spoke cast alloy wheels, similar to the avatar.
I bet the Ltd wheels are a direct swap, but don't quote me on that. Other 80s models may have the same wheels as the Ltd. 1000J, 1000R, some of the 1100 models, including the shaft drive front wheel (the shaft rear wheel is different).





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Wez
04-07-2017, 10:09 PM
Yes, its the bike wez rode....

In my avatar...the wheels......is the front slightly larger rhan the rear? Ive found a few bikes online with the front larger than the rear....does this help to launch the bike up?

martin-csr
04-08-2017, 09:52 AM
Most KZ standard models had a 19" Fr & 18" Rr. The Ltd & CSRs had a 16" Rr.
I think the KZ1000-P police models had 18" Fr & Rr.
I believe most of the 70s wheels are tube type (TT) & most of the 80s wheels are tubeless. Since your bike is an 81, I would get 80s wheels. 1980 was kind of a transition year, so some of those may be tube type, which I would avoid.

As for the stance, the CSR probably has leading axle forks, having the axle on the leading edge of the forks.
Standard models had center axle forks, so the axle is in line with the forks.
The rake angle varies as well.

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Jimray23
04-08-2017, 02:52 PM
Mine is a 79 ltd. It has 19 front and 16 rear. Still factory tube type wheels. But i bought the bolt in valve stems and run tubless tires.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170408/2e0f57e796f850e52ddd57d51a2d749a.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170408/9016d7b933fbf9dc0fe68f4204258af5.jpg
Their nasty right now but...

Jimmy
1979 kz1000 ltd

martin-csr
04-08-2017, 02:57 PM
I don't know much about it, but supposedly a tube type wheel isn't completely suitable for going tubeless. Tubeless rims have ridges on them that are supposed to keep the tire properly seated on the wheel. I've seen some that have very prominent ridges, but the ridges on my wheels are rather small. I'm not sure if there are any other differences between the two types of wheels.





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Wez
04-08-2017, 07:59 PM
Thanks martin. You seem very knowledgeable of the specifications. It seems like from what Jimray23 has said about his setup, im looking for about a 20" fr / 19" rear setup...? Any specific name for these specific vintage rims? Thanks for the feedback Jimray

martin-csr
04-09-2017, 09:47 AM
For stock wheels I'm pretty sure the best you can do is a 19 Fr & 18 Rr. I've never heard of a 20" Fr or 19" Rr for an old Kawasaki. There are aftermarket wheels from back in the day that are listed on eebbaayy from time to time, but they come in the stock sizes. Lester wheels seem to be the most common. Morris mags are another.






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Jimray23
04-09-2017, 06:09 PM
I don't know much about it, but supposedly a tube type wheel isn't completely suitable for going tubeless. Tubeless rims have ridges on them that are supposed to keep the tire properly seated on the wheel. I've seen some that have very prominent ridges, but the ridges on my wheels are rather small. I'm not sure if there are any other differences between the two types of wheels.





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Ive been running mine tubeless for 5 years now. A few different sets of tires.

Jimmy
1979 kz1000 ltd

Jimray23
04-09-2017, 06:12 PM
Yea i would like to find a matching 19" to put on the back of mine, hopefully put it past the 250 mph mark. Factory it'll only go 160 mph in the 1/8.

Jimmy
1979 kz1000 ltd

Wez
04-09-2017, 07:02 PM
250 mph wow! Did you bore the block?

So it seems like I'll need 19" aftermarkets. They seem like a split star type rim. I can't wait to begin.

What about the front fender? Looks harley like...

Also a modified vetter fairing...?

martin-csr
04-12-2017, 12:30 PM
by Jimray23: Yea i would like to find a matching 19" to put on the back of mine, hopefully put it past the 250 mph mark. Factory it'll only go 160 mph in the 1/8
160 mph on a 79 KZ1000 w stock engine? Are you sure about that?
I think the top speed is supposed to be in the 130 mph range. I could be off, though.

As for a 19" Rr wheel, I've never head of anything bigger than an 18" on a KZ.
How is a bigger rear wheel going to make it faster?
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Wez
04-12-2017, 06:40 PM
Would a 750 be cheaper or easier to rat out or would it be basically the same associated costs? I am finding plenty of bikes in my area and I'm ready to make a purchase. Also, i found a honda cb750 with a quicksilver fairing for $200! Since I'm stripping all badges and rattle can painting this thing....world this be the best option? I can get some pictures tonight hopefully.

Definitely want a modern cafe racer rear.

martin-csr
04-13-2017, 08:40 AM
A KZ1000 or 1100 in good stock condition can be worth quite a bit, in the $2500 to $3500 range or higher.
If you rat bob it or whatever, the value can be reduced significantly. permanently if the frame is hacked up.
I've seen ruined motorcycles listed for sale for months on end, usually overpriced.

A 1000 is probably going to cost about the same as a 750 to modify. In addition to any changes you make there will be basic maintenance items that also add to the cost. I was thinking of buying a 750-Ltd to refurbish as it shares many parts with my 650-CSR, so I made a realistic to-do list & it added up to around $2000 to $2700. motorcycle. towing. title/fees/taxes. tires. battery. etc. As an example, the front brake & wheel bearings were going to be about $185. caliper rebuild kits. new brake lines. etc.

I have no idea how much money it cost me to refurbish my bike. I also have a bunch of good spare parts which also adds to the cost --- it's kind of a hobby. It isn't stock any more, but it was a stock-type refurbish.
1981 KZ650-CSR w KZ550 Ltd wheels KZ750E mufflers.
http://i.imgur.com/aeZVJVq.jpg

Jim823
04-16-2017, 07:49 PM
Quote:
by Jimray23: Yea i would like to find a matching 19" to put on the back of mine, hopefully put it past the 250 mph mark. Factory it'll only go 160 mph in the 1/8
160 mph on a 79 KZ1000 w stock engine? Are you sure about that?
I think the top speed is supposed to be in the 130 mph range. I could be off, though.

As for a 19" Rr wheel, I've never head of anything bigger than an 18" on a KZ.
How is a bigger rear wheel going to make it faster?
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:?: 160 mph in 1/8 mile is what modern pro-stock bikes are running. JUST SAY'N :?:

Jimray23
06-06-2017, 10:31 PM
Quote:
by Jimray23: Yea i would like to find a matching 19" to put on the back of mine, hopefully put it past the 250 mph mark. Factory it'll only go 160 mph in the 1/8

:?: 160 mph in 1/8 mile is what modern pro-stock bikes are running. JUST SAY'N :?:
My bike has had a couple of upgrades. Cams, ignition, coils, smallest sprockets i can get for it. It still pulls the front wheel up at 125 mph in 5th if im not really layin down on it and i way 250 pounds. These bikes are bad ass.

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Jim
1979 kz1000b ltd
stage 3 cams
pod air filters
4-1 open exhaust(no muffler)
full rewire
dyna-s ignition
dyna 3 ohm coils

Jimray23
06-06-2017, 11:15 PM
Martin,
Do you know of a place to get a smaller rear sprocket? I currently have a 32 tooth.

Jim823,
Back when AMA called it quits, maybe 2010, there "leaders" were running 195 mph.

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Jim
1979 kz1000b ltd
stage 3 cams
pod air filters
4-1 open exhaust(no muffler)
full rewire
dyna-s ignition
dyna 3 ohm coils

BrianT
06-07-2017, 12:44 PM
Here is How you do a Rim. LOL have patience and they will come out Nice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I used 400 grit wet sand paper and sanded the outer rim and tried to sand out all the dings and imperfections. Then used a bench grinder and put the rim under the buffing pad and buffed that crap out of it.

wiredgeorge
06-07-2017, 05:55 PM
My KZ1000 will do 255 mph in the 1/4 mile with a stock engine and a touring windshield ;-) Of course, I put on a 4 into 1 and pods... just saying.

Jimray23
06-07-2017, 07:08 PM
My KZ1000 will do 255 mph in the 1/4 mile with a stock engine and a touring windshield ;-) Of course, I put on a 4 into 1 and pods... just saying.
What wheels and sprockets are you running?

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Jim
1979 kz1000b ltd
stage 3 cams
pod air filters
4-1 open exhaust(no muffler)
full rewire
dyna-s ignition
dyna 3 ohm coils

BrianT
06-07-2017, 09:27 PM
TYPO on the 255 MPH in the Quarter????????????????

Jimray23
06-07-2017, 11:14 PM
TYPO on the 255 MPH in the Quarter????????????????
Probably not a typo. Crotch rockets are not the only fast bikes on the street.

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Jim
1979 kz1000b ltd
stage 3 cams
pod air filters
4-1 open exhaust(no muffler)
full rewire
dyna-s ignition
dyna 3 ohm coils

RoadRunner322
06-08-2017, 10:46 AM
Somebody's smoking something!

BrianT
06-08-2017, 02:41 PM
Exactly what I thought. LOL Kz 900 Best time 8.60 sec @ 151 mph. Wiseco 15:1 1430cc - Frank's Cycle Shop in Melbourne. 39 years experience, Warren Cramer sole proprietor. Engine Rebuilding Specialist. Also Servicing and

Read more: KZ900 Drag Bike - Built by Frank's Cycle Shop, Melbourne FL - DragTimes.com (http://www.dragtimes.com/video-viewer.php?v=y7s4ZsPTDks#ixzz4jRBtyr5P) This is what I found NOT 255 anywhere close.

jarretts636
06-08-2017, 07:05 PM
Here is How you do a Rim. LOL have patience and they will come out Nice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I used 400 grit wet sand paper and sanded the outer rim and tried to sand out all the dings and imperfections. Then used a bench grinder and put the rim under the buffing pad and buffed that crap out of it.

What kind/brand of paint do you use?

BrianT
06-08-2017, 07:57 PM
Dupli-Color High Temp Engine Enamel with ceramic Gloss Black DE 1613 is the Number on the bar code. I sprayed when it was almost 100 degrees out and waited until the rim was hot and then sprayed. I have had great results with this paint.

jarretts636
06-08-2017, 08:35 PM
Important to make sure the rim is hot when you paint?

BrianT
06-08-2017, 10:30 PM
That is just my preference and have had great results doing it when hot rather than in cold weather. I know companies have ovens where they bake their parts after painting.

Jim823
06-11-2017, 09:27 AM
Martin,
Do you know of a place to get a smaller rear sprocket? I currently have a 32 tooth.

Jim823,
Back when AMA called it quits, maybe 2010, there "leaders" were running 195 mph.

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Jim
1979 kz1000b ltd
stage 3 cams
pod air filters
4-1 open exhaust(no muffler)
full rewire
dyna-s ignition
dyna 3 ohm coils


1/4 mile speeds not 1/8 mile. And from 1470cc 4 valve engines with tens of thousands dollar mods, not some minor modifications to a vintage kz1000 like the BS you are talking.

Jimray23
06-11-2017, 09:40 AM
1/4 mile speeds not 1/8 mile. And from 1470cc 4 valve engines with tens of thousands dollar mods, not some minor modifications to a vintage kz1000 like the BS you are talking.
I know what mine will do. I don't know what anyone else's will do. Mine will do 160 in an 1/8 of a mile. As far as i know the pistons are stock. I've never had the head off. Believe me or don't, i don't care.

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Jim
1979 kz1000b ltd
stage 3 cams
pod air filters
4-1 open exhaust(no muffler)
full rewire
dyna-s ignition
dyna 3 ohm coils