i guess experience is the best teacher so for anyone else wanting to know. i put 12" apes on and the throttle cables had to be rerouted(which i already had from my previous risers) and the clutch cable is too short. also the electrical is really tight, and internal wiring looks much better. the brake line has play in it and works fine but may need to be redone to make it look better. thats just what i've found, thought i'd pass it along.