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#1 ·
Reducing Vulcan V-Twin Engine Noise with a Resistor

It has been documented and discussed here in this forum as well as most other Vulcan forums that due to a variety of factors the lean nature of these bikes makes them prone to knocking/pinging.

Curiosity finally got the best of me and I decided to take a shot at trying to quiet this bike down. As I understand it the “CF” (commotion factor) varies from bike to bike. My particular steed is a 2004 Marauder 1600 and after having ridden bikes for approaching 40 years it was without a doubt the noisiest motored 2 wheeler I’ve ever had the pleasure? to own.

I installed cooler plugs shortly after picking the bike up and that helped a great deal. I’ve also experimented with different grades and brands of gasoline as well as a variety of additives. The use of a the premium QT fuel in combination with an octane booster also provided some additional relief from the commotion but the bottom line was that it annoyed me to have yet another Kawasaki motored bike that made so darn much noise.

It appeared that the simplest and most cost effective solution would be the resistor “fix” that is covered in detail in the following article:

Pre-Ignition Fix For Fuel Injected Motorcycles

I should probably note that the other solution that I seriously considered was the adjusting of the TPS that appeared in my mind to be an even better solution but it also looked somewhat more involved. Given my time constraints the day I attempted this project I opted to go with the resistor solution instead as it is completely reversible and that such an approach would allow me to adjust the TPS at sometime in the future to see how the two different approaches would stack up next to each other.

On the right side of the bike you’ll find the following:

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The temperature sensor is the brass colored item which is located at approximately the 4:00 position in the above photo. To get access to the wiring the four allen bolts (5 mm) will need to be removed as well as the two Philips headed screws. Once those are removed the only other item is the 10 mm headed bolt that can just barely be seen behind the left hose.

Below is another shot that gives a better view of that bolt:

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After removing those items you’ll have access to the plug that is attached to the temperature sensor. When pulled loose it will look like this:

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This is where the resistor is placed. As noted by others I had picked up a package of 1K (1000) Ohm resistors at Radio Shack. I won’t go into a lot of details as that has been covered before but the results are well worth the time. I did mine during a lunch hour and then took it out for a quick test run. Where I used to hear all kinds of commotion things were quiet and smooth. I rolled down the street and turned around, I actually had to try to get the bike to ping at all. At the time of these first trial runs it was well over 90 degrees with the humidity driving the heat index to at least 97 degrees.

Later that evening we went for a group ride. Diana and I covered right at 70 miles two-up over a variety of conditions and roads. Again I can make it ping if I work at it but it is clearly a 90% improvement over the pre-resistor state. This weekend we went out again with Diana on here Rebel and myself on the Marauder. Again, the difference in CF is nothing short of amazing!!

Knowing what I now know...I'm not sure why I put up with this rattling and pinging so darn long. Number two is that it really is an easy "fix" if a person has a little mechanical ability and is even semi-capable with the soldering iron. With this in mind doing it again to try another resistor wouldn't be that big of a deal. Nevertheless, given some recent updates I'd be very tempted to try the 2.2K resistor fix knowing that worse case scenario is that you you might have to pull it and go for a lesser value.

My future plans are to pull the 1K resistor and try the 2.2K just to see what if any differences this change makes. Post that I’d like to put the temperature sensor back to the stock setting and try the TPS adjustment. Once I’ve documented that change I’d like to move forward with some intake air management enhancements and depending upon my findings I may even take a shot at a resistor or TPS adjustment to get the proper mixture as opposed to moving forward with some type of aftermarket FI management device. If I’m unable to make that solution work the worst case scenario is that I’m out a little time and I’ll pick up an FI management system.

To all who wish to attempt such a project, just take your time and think before you do. Good Luck!!

Ride safe and often,

Don
 
#2 ·
this is more of a band aid then a fix when you are doing this you are reducing the bikes ability to adjust its fuel mixture. while it may work,people that ride in alot of different temperatures it wouldn't work well. I see that it is simple to do and cheaper but unless you install a manual rheostat I think you may fix one issue and create another.
also a fuel commander gives you alot more adjustment
just my 2 cents
 
#3 ·
Don,

I also did the resistor install on my 2006 1600 Classic. I had a terrible ping problem here in Las Vegas, especially in the summer with ambient temperatures over 110 degrees. I soldered a 1k ohm resistor just as you illustrated and found I was only able to make it ping under the most severe conditions. I wanted it ping free so I installed an additional 470 ohm resistor and now my bike runs like a scalded cat. Throttle response is quick and smooth and I no longer smell my catalytic converter at the stop light due to the extra fuel having a cooling effect on the engine. (I have a CA spec model).

My fuel mileage is unchanged, about 36 around town and 42 on the highway. I pulled a plug from the front cylinder just to make sure it wasn't running rich and the plug had a nice tan color, no black or sootiness.

The article on Gadgets site was written by Lumir Bakota and I corresponded through email with him. He wrote:

Hello Randall,
I am glad that the easy fix with resistor helped. Myself, I ended up using the 1k ohm resistor, as the weather here is much cooler than in your area. If I was you, I would not even bother with any "fuel processor", as it does in principle the same thing as the extra resistance on the air temperature sensor (ATS) - it increase the fuel/air ratio. Ironically, a simple resistor in series with your engine's ATS actually works better, as it increases the F/A ratio more at higher and less at lower temperatures, which is what you need. I had quite few responses to my article and ALL of them were positive.
If you feel that you still have some ping, do not hesitate using a nominal value 2.2k resistor. Your engine will like it, you will like it and the worst thing that can happen is slightly worse mileage. An ultimate check on wheather your engine has the right F/A ratio is the color of your spark plugs. Take a look at any of them after a longer ride - if it is something like light gray/white/light brown you are perferctly OK, if it has a shade of black or traces of soot, you might be too rich.
Cheers,
Lumir


The ECU on your bike adjusts the fuel exponentially giving a higher fuel to air ratio at hotter temperatures and lower at cooler temperatures. For instance witha 1k ohm resistor the ECU may increase the fuel by 10% at 90 degrees but at temperatures say around 40 degrees it will increase only by 1%. There is a technical spreadsheet link on that same page at Gadgets explaining this in detail. I can ride in the valley here at 110 degrees and later that night be up in the mountains at 60 degrees and the bike still runs great, no problem with running rich.

Randy
 
#16 ·
Just reading this old thread.....I don't think the above description is entirely accurate. The Resistor mod works by changing the temperature input signal to the ECU but the Power commander works by interpreting the output signals to the fuel injectors from the ECU and re-mapping the injector pulses based on a lookup up table (or 'map') in the Power Commander. The change made by installing the resistor is linear, that is, it changes the sensed temperature by a fixed amount regardless of the temperature. The advantage of the Power commander is that nonlinear changes can be made, e.g. the factory fuel mixture can be less at one point and more at another, or more at one point and a lot more at another (or any other variation) which provides infinitely more tuning flexibility. Having said that, the advantage of the resistor is that it's probably good enough, especially for a stock machine and it's relatively no-cost.

My own story is that I had a major pining problem on my 01 which wasn't when the bike was new. Many trips to the dealer (under warranty) failed to resolve the problem. Like most, pinging was exacerbated by hot weather and or low octane fuel (I had to run, and still do, 94). Long story, I eventually found, after several years, significant corrosion problem with the pins in the ECU connectors. Once the corroded and broken pins were replaced (eventually had to replace them all), the Pinging problems disappeared (or reduced considerably). In the meantime, I had prepared to install the resistor mod and had purchased a Power Commander, but never got around to installing either.
 
#7 ·
Don,

I also did the resistor install on my 2006 1600 Classic. I had a terrible ping problem here in Las Vegas, especially in the summer with ambient temperatures over 110 degrees. I soldered a 1k ohm resistor just as you illustrated and found I was only able to make it ping under the most severe conditions. I wanted it ping free so I installed an additional 470 ohm resistor and now my bike runs like a scalded cat. Throttle response is quick and smooth and I no longer smell my catalytic converter at the stop light due to the extra fuel having a cooling effect on the engine. (I have a CA spec model).

My fuel mileage is unchanged, about 36 around town and 42 on the highway. I pulled a plug from the front cylinder just to make sure it wasn't running rich and the plug had a nice tan color, no black or sootiness.

The article on Gadgets site was written by Lumir Bakota and I corresponded through email with him. He wrote:

Hello Randall,
I am glad that the easy fix with resistor helped. Myself, I ended up using the 1k ohm resistor, as the weather here is much cooler than in your area. If I was you, I would not even bother with any "fuel processor", as it does in principle the same thing as the extra resistance on the air temperature sensor (ATS) - it increase the fuel/air ratio. Ironically, a simple resistor in series with your engine's ATS actually works better, as it increases the F/A ratio more at higher and less at lower temperatures, which is what you need. I had quite few responses to my article and ALL of them were positive.
If you feel that you still have some ping, do not hesitate using a nominal value 2.2k resistor. Your engine will like it, you will like it and the worst thing that can happen is slightly worse mileage. An ultimate check on wheather your engine has the right F/A ratio is the color of your spark plugs. Take a look at any of them after a longer ride - if it is something like light gray/white/light brown you are perferctly OK, if it has a shade of black or traces of soot, you might be too rich.
Cheers,
Lumir


The ECU on your bike adjusts the fuel exponentially giving a higher fuel to air ratio at hotter temperatures and lower at cooler temperatures. For instance witha 1k ohm resistor the ECU may increase the fuel by 10% at 90 degrees but at temperatures say around 40 degrees it will increase only by 1%. There is a technical spreadsheet link on that same page at Gadgets explaining this in detail. I can ride in the valley here at 110 degrees and later that night be up in the mountains at 60 degrees and the bike still runs great, no problem with running rich.

Randy
There are times I really miss the simplicity of a carb.!
 
#8 ·
I never could see a good reason to go the resistor route even though many on here choose that method. I put a TFI fuel processor on instead and even though it costs more it is about the least expensive of the ones I was willing to use. And since they are adjustable etc., it just made more sense to me, but I am not a mechanic. Then with that I did the Caddman mod, pulled the solenoids, installed the coaster kit and took a box full of California smog control crap off. I have the same bike as dslater35 does but mine does not seem excessively noisy. However I have not been riding motorcycles even close to as long as he has so maybe mine is noisy and I just don't realize it. But the V&H BigShots could have something to do with that...lol.
 
#9 ·
I soldered in a 1.2k Ohm resistor since it was close to the middle of the range and I had one. I took the bike out for a ride and the bike ran much better and the pinging is nearly gone. I will definitely try a higher resistance and see how it turns out.
 
#10 ·
I never could see a good reason to go the resistor route even though many on here choose that method. I put a TFI fuel processor on instead and even though it costs more it is about the least expensive of the ones I was willing to use. And since they are adjustable etc., it just made more sense to me, but I am not a mechanic. Then with that I did the Caddman mod, pulled the solenoids, installed the coaster kit and took a box full of California smog control crap off. I have the same bike as dslater35 does but mine does not seem excessively noisy. However I have not been riding motorcycles even close to as long as he has so maybe mine is noisy and I just don't realize it. But the V&H BigShots could have something to do with that...lol.
Well here are good reasons for you to see:

1. It eliminates pinging if you use the proper resistance
2. It makes the motor run cooler
3. It greatly improves throttle response
4. It makes your bike run as it was intended to before Uncle Sam stepped in
5. It costs 25 cents and a little of your time
6. It allows your bike's ECU to do it's job as intended but takes away it's ability to run extra lean under high ambient temperatures
7. It is a simple harmless device and much less prone to failure than a fuel processor

If I manufactured a temperature sensor to fit your bike that sent out a lower signal than the factory model to stop your pinging and improve your bike's performance would you buy it?

oh...I just got an idea
 
#11 ·
A common complaint among Vulcan (and some other big twin) owners involves pre-ignition (aka 'knocking' or 'pinging') when rolling on the throttle especially in warm weather. There may be multiple causes in any given engine ranging from lugging the engine to a buildup of carbon in the combustion chamber (often caused by lugging) but it can also be caused by a lean mixture.

I'll be providing all the tech stuff below but here's the nuts and bolts of it. First, this should be considered a temporary fix. An experiment to determine if a richer mixture will end that 'marbles in the combustion chamber' noise. If it does then I'd strongly suggest trying to eliminate ping by adjusting your throttle position sensor or buying a Dobeck Performance TFI or other aftermarket computer that can be used to add fuel when and where you actually need it rather than all the time as this fix will do.

this from Gadgets site which he got from the person who thought this up.
 
#13 ·
a late 2 cents, go ahead and spend the $300 + on the PC's ...

I've been reading buckets of threads of folks with problems mapping their PC's, tinkering and not getting it quite right ... versus the folks running the resistor mod who give it zero bad press - several 2 years or more in the running with no issues

If you really want to see your vulcan or meanie open up and run smoothly the way it should, do the caddman $10 air filter ($60 if you upgrade to the the K&N filter and matching cover ) virtually guaranteed not to run too rich

With a 2.2k resistor and air filter mod you could probably run 87 in the cooler months and 89 in the hotter - yes you probably want to keep an eye on the plug color with that large a resistor

I've done TPS adjustment mods on different bikes and the result isn't worth the time spent when the 1 hour job with resistor will accomplish the same
 
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#18 ·
No, I've never had any error codes. I think the error code thing is pretty limited when it comes to sensors. The ECU may (may or may no in actuality) be able to determine if there's a 'open' or 'short' circuit, i.e. complete failure of a temperature sender, but if a poor connection results in the temperature being read wrong the ECU doesn't know the difference between a legitimate hot day and a sender that's sending too high of a voltage for an actual lower temperature.
 
#19 ·
The ECU may (may or may no in actuality) be able to determine if there's a 'open' or 'short' circuit, i.e. complete failure of a temperature sender, but if a poor connection results in the temperature being read wrong the ECU doesn't know the difference between a legitimate hot day and a sender that's sending too high of a voltage for an actual lower temperature.
It will send a code if it gets a temperature sensor input outside of what it "thinks" is an "acceptable range". You can add enough resistance to get a code. Do I remember how much resistance it takes to get a code? No, it's been quite a while since this mod fell from favor.