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what are some thoughts on # 34?
what are some thoughts on # 34?
armed riders
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Never carried a weapon of any kind and have never had a need to. I've been riding for over 20 years without any type of incident.
I wonder if some of them who are carrying are because of the risks of being at a campsite. Although I've camped a lot and never had one with me myself. I only use mine for hunting.
The first thing that I was shocked at was a Canadian asking about protection when coming to the States. I've never considered us a dangerous crowd.
Maybe I should go get me one! all of mine are rifles and shotguns used for hunting.
I wonder if some of them who are carrying are because of the risks of being at a campsite. Although I've camped a lot and never had one with me myself. I only use mine for hunting.
The first thing that I was shocked at was a Canadian asking about protection when coming to the States. I've never considered us a dangerous crowd.
Maybe I should go get me one! all of mine are rifles and shotguns used for hunting.
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I believe in this day and age everyone eligible should be allowed to arm themselves. In Nevada, you can carry a concealed weapon if you have a permit. It's obtainable as long you have a clean criminal history and take a concealed weapons course.
As for carrying while riding, it's up to the individual. I've often thought how vulnerable I was to any thugs who would just run up to me and push me off my bike and steal it, rob me, or possibly worse. I'm not saying that every instance would provide the opportunity to defend myself with a gun but not counting it out either.
If this was a beautiful trusting world and everyone worked for the benefit of others then I believe we could live without guns. But there's a lot of evil out there; evil with power, more today than ever before. In a world of runaway government corruption, wide open borders, and the continuous stripping and violation of citizen's rights, I'd feel safer knowing that this country's sovereign people are armed.
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As for carrying while riding, it's up to the individual. I've often thought how vulnerable I was to any thugs who would just run up to me and push me off my bike and steal it, rob me, or possibly worse. I'm not saying that every instance would provide the opportunity to defend myself with a gun but not counting it out either.
If this was a beautiful trusting world and everyone worked for the benefit of others then I believe we could live without guns. But there's a lot of evil out there; evil with power, more today than ever before. In a world of runaway government corruption, wide open borders, and the continuous stripping and violation of citizen's rights, I'd feel safer knowing that this country's sovereign people are armed.
Vote Ron Paul 2008
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I agree Dave. To say that all bikers and cab drivers carry weapons is such a gross overstatement. I think it's more like 5% or less, depending on the city in which you work. I'm sure some do, but in Nevada it's illegal for a cabbie on duty to carry a weapon of any kind. Of course one can carry a steel flashlight filled with 4 "D" size batteries that can easily become a lethal weapon in the hand of a person who knows how to use it.
The fact that you haven't had an incident in over 20 years may be a testament or at least partially credited to the publics impression that bikers carry guns.
Also, just because you don't know a biker who packs doesn't mean he is not. A responsible person packing a gun would keep that information to himself.
Absolutely agree. Only that the friends I run with don't. I think we're all posers though, but that's a different thread!
I used to have a CCW permit. I let it lapse, and never renewed it, because the wife was unfomfortable with me carrying it around.
When I did have it, I would carry occasionally when I was riding. If I was travelling overnight within the state (CCW's are generally not recognized between states), running errands around town, or going to undesireable areas. But not when I was just out running the twisties, and wasn't spending time off of the bike.
Generally, It was either carried in a shoulder rig, or my tank-bag then tranferred to a hip-holster.
As for the guys concern about travelling in the U.S. with it's 'gun-toting' mentallity, it's pretty simple. If your the type of person to get into conflicts, well your chances of running into someone with a side-arm increase dramatically. You generally only find trouble when you look for it. I've never threatened, nor been threatened with a gun. But I'm generally a level headed guy, who know when to avoid certain situations that would escalate to that point.
When I did have it, I would carry occasionally when I was riding. If I was travelling overnight within the state (CCW's are generally not recognized between states), running errands around town, or going to undesireable areas. But not when I was just out running the twisties, and wasn't spending time off of the bike.
Generally, It was either carried in a shoulder rig, or my tank-bag then tranferred to a hip-holster.
As for the guys concern about travelling in the U.S. with it's 'gun-toting' mentallity, it's pretty simple. If your the type of person to get into conflicts, well your chances of running into someone with a side-arm increase dramatically. You generally only find trouble when you look for it. I've never threatened, nor been threatened with a gun. But I'm generally a level headed guy, who know when to avoid certain situations that would escalate to that point.
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I am one of those who ride and carry concealed all the time. Not just on the bike, but car and everywhere allowed in the states i'm permited to carry in (28 of them). I'm one of those that believes that an armed society is a safer society. Its only the criminals that cause the problems, not those of us who take the time to be trained and properly permited. Its a personal choice. You can choose to be a victim, or you can choose to NOT be a victim. I choose to not be a victim of the criminal element. I will fight back. I don't want to, but I will not stand by and watch the true cowards of the world just keep getting away with literal murder.
True freedom has never ever been free. Sometimes you must be willing to sacrifice your life in order to gain the freedom of not only yourself, but others.
True freedom has never ever been free. Sometimes you must be willing to sacrifice your life in order to gain the freedom of not only yourself, but others.
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As I said, I used to. And I know a few who still do. The only reason any of us knew the others were (or at least could be) carrying, was because we are all friends, and have gone to the shooting range together.
Unless you knew me personally, I would never let anyone know when I was carrying, or even the fact that I could. It's bad etiquite, and invites unwanted curiosity.
I carry a knife all the time - been that way from the time my dad gave me my first pocket knife as a kid. Couldn't get along without one. I use it for all sorts of things not weapon related. As a cop, you just never know when it may come in handy. I got used to not carrying when off duty, then we had a bulletin about one gang hacking into the State computer system and gathering the names of LEOs so they could target their vehicles, homes and families, so I have started carrying the old Speed Six all the time - just in case. As to others carrying, I've never had a problem with that, and never had any trouble from anyone carrying - well carrying legally that is.
Same here. I prefere to think of it as an 'edge tool' instead of a knife. The fact that it can be used as a defensive weapon is purely secondary.
You may want to be careful, and even check the laws on the states you travel in. My understanding was that, most states do not recognize CCW's from other states. I'm not sure if laws have changed since I had my PA CCW, but at the time, at least, it was not legal to carry in states you did not have a permit for.
Just something you might want to check into.
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You can openly (or concealed with a permit) carry a weapon in Arizona. Occasionally I see scummy bikers packing but not often. I have never felt the need to arm myself nor have I ever had an incident where a weapon would have helped. Pulling out a weapon under most any circumstance is a bad idea.
I strongly believe that all weapons should be outlawed and existing weapons collected and melted down. Oh boy!!!!!
I strongly believe that all weapons should be outlawed and existing weapons collected and melted down. Oh boy!!!!!
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I'm from Canada, I don't carry a gun, I don't need a gun.............I ride with my wife. She's more dangerous.......................
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My understanding was that, most states do not recognize CCW's from other states.
Actually the opposite is true. Most states DO recognize permits from other states. 7 states do not. But thats changing. Yes you must ALWAYS study the latest laws.
Actually the opposite is true. Most states DO recognize permits from other states. 7 states do not. But thats changing. Yes you must ALWAYS study the latest laws.
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jaseman..... I am just representing the opposite view. I see many posts about packing but seldom do I see much from the majority that believe this issue is out of control. No death threats yet so it mustn't have pi**ed off too many.
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