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Great thread. As a UK resident, I have to wear a helmet, although I miss the good old times in Argentina when I didn't have to.

I agree with the guy who wrote in this forum that every idiot has the right to be an idiot in a free country. Said that, I also understand the point about not having health insurance in the USA and being a burden to medicare. Here, as in most European countries, the National Health Service will pay for your medical expenses if you had a motorcycle accident. Is it right to use public money to pay the medical expenses of someone hurt for not wearing a helmet? What about using public money to pay for the health care of a smoker suffering from lung cancer?

Both the no-wearing-biker and the smoker pay taxes, after all?

Also, I lived in the USA and visit often, having an American wife and, in WI for example -correct me if I'm wrong- there's no control for vehicles safety. Here in the UK, all vehicles more than three years old need to be inspected once a year for safety ("MOT"), therefore you are more or less confident that car drivers have their cars in more or less decent condition. In the USA I've seen people driving cars that are literally falling apart, and in the middle of cars like those, I'll wear a helmet (and a full body armour!!!!)...


Uhm...I love that sound of the winds, and just riding with only the rayban on.


But I do ride with my FF, and trying not to lift the visor either (also illegal in this country!) since the visor protected my -ugly- face from a massive bird sh*t a few months ago!!!!!!
 

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Both the no-wearing-biker and the smoker pay taxes, after all?
They do, but their share of the taxes do not cover 100% of their care.
That's the nature of a Socialist system... the majority pays for the needs of the few. Everyone pays the same taxes relative to income, and everyone receives equal benefits on an as-needed basis.

That system is PROBABLY why helmet use is mandatory in most Socialist countries, and I do agree that it is no different than the smoker... both have made a decision to do something that increases their potential need for medical care....

But at what point does it stop? There are those in this country who would throw a party if motorcycles were completely banned... and it's not just the "old bitties" complaining about loud pipes... it's the insurance industry.
They are more than happy to take our money, and they will write a policy (though AAA will not write a medical policy for a bike in California, my medical would be picked up by my regular health insurance)... but they are constantly lobbying the lawmakers to make helmets mandatory in all states, as well as other restrictions.
Also, I lived in the USA and visit often, having an American wife and, in WI for example -correct me if I'm wrong- there's no control for vehicles safety. Here in the UK, all vehicles more than three years old need to be inspected
Different states have different laws.
Some states do have an annual inspection requirement before the tags will be renewed. Other states, such as California, only have emissions testing on vehicles 5 years old and older. California DOES have a vehicle inspection law on the books, but it has never been formally required to get your tags renewed... it was always just random road blocks that the Highway Patrol would run. If you passed, you got a sticker indicating you passed and you would not be pulled over in a road block for the rest of that year.

They stopped doing that in the late 1970s (honestly, traffic is just too heavy to do it), but the law is still on the books.
 

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Required to wear one here in Missouri...but I wouldn't be without one regardless (I do have a choice when I cross the bridge over into Illinois). I love my Shoei :biggrin:

As for car inspections...safety inspections are required here in Missouri in order to license a car or bike.
 

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Where I come from ...The ol' saying was (Allways wear a helmet)....I lived in Orange California for 40 years..I live in Illinois now. I Allways wear a helmet.I have a Bell Drifter for around the hood. When I go out for a ride I use a Shoei RF1000 full face.
 

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They do, but their share of the taxes do not cover 100% of their care.
That's the nature of a Socialist system... the majority pays for the needs of the few. Everyone pays the same taxes relative to income, and everyone receives equal benefits on an as-needed basis.


Hi Rich,

Last time I checked, the UK weren't a Socialist country...Even worse, the policies here are quite to the right side of things. I'd have to check in a real Socialist country, such as China, Vietnam or Cuba:newyear2: However, I would say that in a real socialist system, the majority pays for the needs of everyone who needs help. But let's not get into politics, mate, because we could stay here for hours!

I think that a control for every vehicle's safety should be mandatory everywhere for eveyone safety, wouldn't you agree?


"There are those in this country who would throw a party if motorcycles were completely banned... and it's not just the "old bitties" complaining about loud pipes... it's the insurance industry.
They are more than happy to take our money, and they will write a policy (though AAA will not write a medical policy for a bike in California, my medical would be picked up by my regular health insurance)... but they are constantly lobbying the lawmakers to make helmets mandatory in all states, as well as other restrictions."

They probably have some shares in the helmet industry???? (Benefits of a capitalistic country: shares, earning money without doing any sort of job:confused:

Listen to this: the other day I woalket to the next village's post office. Inside there was this little old lady, probably about 80 something. She could barely walk. I finish sending my mail, I went outside: she was walking towards her car, a little VW Polo (I'm glad we have small cars here, I wouldn't like to see her in some massive Ford or GMC:cry: ). Anyway, it took her so long to get in her car and pull away, there was a queue of cars behind...And I was thinking, people like her drive all around, in the same roads I ride my bike, and more important, where my and other children go across the streets...That's another problem, you get your licence in the UK, and it lasts until you're 70 without medical tests. A 93 years old lady killed a motorcyclist a week ago, pulling off a lateral street. They Police ordered a sight test, and she failed it.

Yes, I love the wind in my ears and the freedom of not wearing a helmet (unless your going too fast) but with people and cars like those in the streets...
 

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There is a big difference between a country being Socialist and Communist.
China, Vietnam, and Cuba are Communist.
Most countries have some Socialist policies, even the US. In the US, we do not have Socialized medical care like most of the EU and Canada do.
 

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We all would have to pay for everyone wo cant pay for themselves, that is the way this country is.If someone is in the doctors care and cant pay ,all our insurance suffers. taxes go up and ect.Otherwise they would not be so hip on airbags and seatbelts,ect in auto industry.what can we do for motorcycles?.... Helmets I guess.
 

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ok guys, let's take a step back WAY before this goes where i know it is going to go. i have been on here long enough to see more helmet debates go south than i can count. there are always going to be two sides to this argument and neither side is going to budge. so, please keep this thread for just simple helmet banter. thanks !
 
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