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1978 KX650B - General Mechanical Questions

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#1 ·
Hey all. I have a bunch of firsts for ya!! This is my first time here (Hello everyone), I just got my first Kawasaki and the 1978 KZ650B is my first ever bike (minus my motor cross bikes back in the day). Big day for me, huh? :biggrin: Ok...On to business...

This KZ650 of mine has a bad head (I believe my dad said it has a hairline crack in it). It runs well enough when its cold but after about 15-30 minutes (as she warms up), one cylinder leaks. I'm not sure which cylinder number you want to call it but when you are sitting on the bike looking forward, its the second cyclinder from the far right. Anyhoo...It turns out that the head needs to be replaced. I have a few leads on heads, one being from a 1980 KZ650. I assume that these heads didn't change much over the 3 years? True or false? How about the camshafts? Are the cams in the 1980 interchangeable with the 1978 KZ650?

Another thing...This bike was my father's and he diddled with it a little bit (I think mostly because thats what old retired men do - they fiddle and doodle). He said that he was inside working around the timing chain (for whatever reason) and said that there are four "risers", two on the top and two on the bottom of the chain that he fooled around with (again, for whatever reason). In the end, he ground down the top two "risers" thinking that he was doing something fantastic and then later felt that he made a boo-boo by doing so. Does anyone know what he might be talking about? He explained it to me, and though I am mechanically minded - I couldn't follow him. I looked at a schematic of the chain and surrounding components and it didn't help. For those of you who might know what he is talking about, do you know the actual name of these "risers" (what he called them). I'm not sure exactly what they do...If I knew the technical term for these parts I would just go ahead and order 2 new ones right off that bat.

All in all the bike is in pretty nice shape. I know it needs a camshaft. Though the camshaft operates the engine well, the end of the cam which runs the tachometer is pooched. This means the tach doesn't work. I think the old man said that the camshaft had a gear or splines or something on one end which drove the tach. I have yet to get the bike home (tomorrow's project) and as a result I haven't got it open yet.

Being my first bike, does anyone have any advice for me as a cycling beginner? Take into consideration that I'm 5'11" and 155 lbs. I pushed it around the loose gravel driveway for about 15 minutes and had to manuover it around a pile of obsticles (dad's yard is full of what he refers to as gold - I'm sure you can picture it) to get it to where I needed to get it without too much strain. Would you consider this bike a fair beginner's motorcycle or not? Is there anything I should keep an eye on (mechanically) with this bike? Does it have any qwerks or known defects?

Thanks all in advance for any help, suggestions or comments you care to share. And HELLO again!!

Cheers!
- Dan
 
#3 ·
elr658 said:
There are a couple of KZ650 EXPERTS on here. My recommendation is, while you have the head and cams off, to replace them with different stuff (yours is suspect) replace the camchain and any camchain guides and rollers.

By DIFFERENT STUFF, do you mean new OEM parts or aftermarket upgrades? Is there something lackluster about the stock parts (performance or reliabilty wise)?

Thanks for the suggestion!!

- Dan
 
#4 ·
You better check on how much all this stuff costs, as this stuff isn't cheap. The cam chain guides need to be replaced. They come one way, correct, and you don't fiddle with them. The chain rides on rubber like channels and with a tensioner. This can be only one way and that is the right way. I'm not sure regarding part interchanging. I would go by part numbers. Kawasaki put some exhaust gas recirculating stuff on the 650's as they progressed. You might take the head to a machine shop and see if it could be repaired.
 
#5 ·
I realize that this stuff costs money, however, I didn't pay anything for the bike so I figure I'm off to a pretty good start. I am a Journeyman Tool & Die Maker / Machinist myself. The head can indeed be repaired, however, I have a few good leads on some good used stuff. Just not sure about inchangeability. Thanks for your suggestions!
 
#7 ·
All of the KZ 650 heads from 77 up to the 80/81 F1 model are interchangeable. These early models use a single roller cam chain - they also use cam chain idler gears/sprockets (one rear, one front and one in top), a center rubber roller at the cylinder base and another rubber roller on the cam chain tensioner.

Later models (from the 81 F2 model and up) use a hyvo (multiplate) cam chain, plastic sliding blocks front and rear and a top slider sitting in the valve cover.

Later model cams can be used with early model heads and vice versa, but you need to swap the camshaft sprockets over to fit the chain. You can also use KZ750 (four) cams or even GPz 750 cams (still need to swap the camshaft sprockets as all the 750s use a hyvo cam chain), but they may not have the worm gear for the tach drive.

On a side note, the cam chain idler gears/sprockets used in the early 650s are the same ones used in the early (pre-80) KZ 900s/1000s even though they have different part numbers. Bad news is they´re $100-120 a piece and you need at least three. The 650 top idler gear mount is different from the 900/1000s though, the gear can be removed/replaced from the tower on the 650s, whereas the 900/1000 idler gear towers are complete units.

Haven´t got a clue as to what the "risers" are, byt try posting some pics once you get the bike home.

Btw, this is a good place to check out: KZ650.info
 
#9 ·
As to your question of advice. Take the motorcycle safety course. Practice on rural backroads with little traffic. Always let someone know where you are going. Think of the stupidest thing the other guy can possibly do and plan for it. He most likely will. Never go anywhere in traffic with a bike you wouldn't go in a car. Always wear your helmet and protective clothing. Look where you want to go and pay attention to your surroundings. Remember always the guy with the bigger more powerful/painful vehicle has the right of way. Lastly wave back at the rest of us when you are comfortable enough to do so. We welcome you! I welcome you.